bogus comments on Open Thread, July 1-15, 2013 - Less Wrong
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I think it is true. Self awareness is not hardware (wetware, whatever-ware) dependent. Just upload yourself and everything would be just fine. You'll be on two places at the same time, but with no communications between your instances, the old and the new one.
The same situation here, only that you have more than one natural born upload. Many billion, in fact.
The naturalism leads to this (frightening) conclusion.
Doesn't that black box the process of uploading?
I am not sure what do you mean by this blackboxing.
But to think, that the process of consciousnesses will work inside a computer, but will not work inside some other human skull - is naive.
It should work either on both places or nowhere.
People respond to this with "My memories are crucial, they are my unique identifier!". Well, you can forget pretty much everything and you will feel the same way. Besides, at every moment that you are self aware, you are remembering different little pieces of everything, doesn't matter what exactly. Might be a memory of a total solar eclipse, millions have almost the same short movie in their heads. Nothing unique here,
The consciousnesses is a funny algorithm, running everywhere. This is why, you should care about the future and behave accordingly at the present time.
Black boxing is when a complicated process is skipped over in reasoning. You supposed that mind uploading was possible for the sake of argument, to support a conclusion outside of the argument.
I see no reason, why uploading would be impossible. As I see no reason, why interstellar traveling would be impossible.
I have no idea how to actually do both, but that's another matter.
If the naturalistic view is valid, it is difficult to see a reason why those two would be impossible. But if the Universe is a magic place, then of course. It's possible that they are both impossible due to some spell of a witch, or something.
Still, I do assign a small probability to the possibility, that the consciousnesses is something not entirely computable and therefor not executable on some model of a Turing machine. But then again, the probability for this I see quite negligible.
Does it matter what consciousness is made out of for mind uploading to be possible?
Of course. If some of us are right, the consciousness is an algorithm running on a substrate able to compute it.
Then, the transplantation to another substrate is sure possible. How difficult this copping actually is, I wonder.
That all, assuming no magic is involved here. No spirituality, no soul and no other holly crap.
But when we embrace the algorithmic nature of consciousness, intelligence, memories and so on, we lose the unique identifier, so dear to most otherwise rational people. Their mantra goes "You only live once!" or "Everyone is unique and unrepeatable person!". Yes, sure. So when I was born, a signal traveled across the Universe to change it from the place I could be born, to a place this possibility now expired for good? May I ask, is this signal faster then light? If it isn't ... well, it isn't good enough.
I am just an algorithm, being computed here and there, before and now.
I forgot to mention this, but I also tried my hand at writing an essay about this sort of thing: finding the physical manifestation of consciousness. If I could vouch for the rigor of it, I'd have posted it to the Facebook group already, but alas, I can't., though it may be of some use here.
Wait, so that's where the whole 'YOLO' thing/meme comes from? I notice that I am confused...
How does this square with chaos theory, which models behaviour that diverges greatly due to infinitesimal changes at the start?
What has it got to do with chaos theory?
Suppose you have two similar but extremely complicated systems that put compound pendulums to shame and both of which have different starting conditions. Would the state of one system ever be identical to the state of the other at any state that has occurred, or will occur, with system two?
How the identity of a single person squares with it? Wouldn't a tiny change convert me into somebody else?
At no point has one cubic centimeter of air been exactly like another cubic centimeter of air.