Gunnar_Zarncke comments on Open thread, Jan. 26 - Feb. 1, 2015 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 26 January 2015 08:57:40PM 0 points [-]

If inducing trans and gay were that easy it would be as easy to cure it. It isn't.. Trans is so incurable that despite the side-effects it is considered much easier to change the body than the mind.

But I agree with your second paragraph. I'd say that there is such a thing as information hazard. You need anti-memes for such. And best before being exposed to the info-hazard. Kind like an innoculation. At least as a minor when you don't have a sufficiently general mindset to dispose with such ideas easily (stronger immune system).

Comment author: alienist 02 February 2015 02:16:43AM 5 points [-]

Trans is so incurable that despite the side-effects it is considered much easier to change the body than the mind.

That depends on the motivations and rationality of those doing the considering.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 26 January 2015 10:15:09PM 2 points [-]

If inducing trans and gay were that easy it would be as easy to cure it.

I don't think this follows. While it is true that one expects that something like that should be true in general, we know that as far as sex and gender issues, weird things can happen. In particular, sexual fetishes can apparently arise from fairly innocuous stimuli and once in place are extremely difficult to remove.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 27 January 2015 08:06:32AM 0 points [-]

Agreed. Seligman actually discusses fetishes and gives a convincing account. The problem being that the innocuous stimulus triggers a chain of repeated self-inforcement.

Comment author: DanielLC 02 February 2015 08:06:43AM 0 points [-]

My model is that there's a sliding scale of how you'd identify your gender, and there's strong social pressure to conform it with your sex. As a result, only people who strongly want to identify their gender otherwise will. Another way to think of it is that the reason it's so incurable is that society automatically cures all the easy and medium cases.

There's instructions on LessWrong for how to become bisexual. If it's that easy for a heterosexual person to become bisexual, shouldn't it be easy for a homosexual person to become bisexual? It's the same issue here.