Lumifer comments on Open Thread, Aug 29. - Sept 5. 2016 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Lumifer 09 September 2016 04:41:59PM 0 points [-]

because it cannot be understood

So, what are the available alternatives, then? Is it one of the those things where you sit for nine years gazing at the wall and then enlightenment comes? Are you suggesting koans?

all arguments are equally untrue

That is highly unlikely -- otherwise you wouldn't be able to operate in reality.

Comment author: reguru 09 September 2016 04:54:30PM 0 points [-]

So, what are the available alternatives, then? Is it one of the those things where you sit for nine years gazing at the wall and then enlightenment comes? Are you suggesting koans?

I think if you care about the truth, THE ACTUAL TRUTH you can diverge time and effort into it depending on your own situation. The illusion of rationality will help you, by observing as many variables you can similar to a General on a battlefield, for the long-term victory.

Of course, the truth is already as it is, it's only an illusion to not become aware of it, it's as if you are watching a visual illusion, and suddenly you see the other perspective and it was what it was.

That is highly unlikely -- otherwise you wouldn't be able to operate in reality.

From the perspective of arational reality, you're fine to be rational as long as you are aware. It's as if you say before every equation "I am aware this is a human projection" yet you remove this paragraph from the equation OF the equation because it's too obvious.

If you didn't operate in reality people would come to you and ask, what are you doing? If it was thousands of years ago, people would say "I want what you have" and those who didn't operate in reality says "You came to me"

Comment author: Lumifer 09 September 2016 05:53:19PM 0 points [-]

THE ACTUAL TRUTH

I don't know what that means. You don't claim direct unmediated access to the underlying reality, do you?

Comment author: reguru 09 September 2016 06:03:04PM 0 points [-]

I don't know what that means.

The truth that the map is not reality, without adding another map, by direct, subjective experience. This is a map.

You don't claim direct unmediated access to the underlying reality, do you?

Assumption or strawman?

Comment author: Lumifer 09 September 2016 08:25:57PM 1 point [-]

Mumbo-jumbo deepities.

I'm out.

Comment author: reguru 09 September 2016 09:15:33PM *  0 points [-]

So it was a straw man?

Comment author: Lumifer 10 September 2016 01:54:55AM 0 points [-]

No, it was a failed attempt to communicate.

Comment author: reguru 10 September 2016 02:24:21PM *  0 points [-]

All types of communication are the same, it's a subjective experience which can't be communicated.