Given the looming Omicron surge, and the increasing risk of infection even for the vaccinated, what are over-the-counter recommendations in case one actually does get infected?
I recall a recommendation of zinc lozenges at some point, but I don't know the current best recommendations or where to find them.
If I test positive I will take Vitamin D (more than my usual), Zinc and fluvoxamine, which I am confident I can get. I do not intend to take anything else unless things get bad.
I was able to get fluvoxamine from my psychiatrist several months ago. I have been holding on to it, may ask for some more in case the whole family gets it.
I would say - try asking your most trusted doctor very nicely first.
I second the Zinc (Life Extension and suck on them), vitamin D and fluvoxamine. I’ll point out that Kelsey Piper recommend inhaled budesonide a few days ago, and that was the first I heard of it. https://twitter.com/KelseyTuoc/status/1468816273219932162
If I get symptoms I will be taking some zembrin on the off chance that it shares some causal mechanisms with fluvoxamine. Annoyed that I can get neither fluvoxamine nor inhaled budesonide.
The rec that's been floating around LW is for zinc acetate (there are a couple of other zinc compounds that are also LW blessed). Life Extension brand has the offically sanctioned formulation. They're big and the dogma is that you have to suck on them to allow throat coating to occur; it's a surface effect. Apply at first sign of symptoms (or as soon as you suspect exposure). Maybe someone more energetic/diligent than me will dig up one of the actual references -- all of this is from my memory.
I've recently seen (and given) this recommendation on LW for the common cold. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/un2fgBad4uqqwm9sH/is-this-info-on-zinc-lozenges-accurate is afaik the best write-up on the subject, which is sad.
In the distant past, I also saw and echoed this recommendation speculatively for covid. (I also followed it, I would suck on a lozenge when I went shopping for a while.) But I don't think I've heard anything about it recently, on LW or elsewhere.
The European Medicine Agency (EMA) supports national authorities who may decide on possible early use of Paxlovid prior to marketing authorization, for example in emergency use settings, in the light of rising rates of infection and deaths due to COVID-19 across the EU.
Seems like great news for Europe!
https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-issues-advice-use-paxlovid-pf-07321332-ritonavir-treatment-covid-19
"It’s one thing to think there’s two sides to this, but how tone deaf do you have to be to call it ‘totally wrong’?"
That's just how politicians talk, isn't it?
Are you saying that you agree with William Eden's claim that vaccination does not substantially prevent the spread of covid? Or is that one of the things that you would "quibble" with him on? That point seems much larger than a quibble to me, it's a key point that's being debated currently about public health policy. My own understanding is that while the vaccines are of course not perfect at preventing spread they do prevent spread to a significant degree, and therefore vaccination is indeed a public health issue not just an individual decision.
I have a question about COVID spread. Based on what I know of the numbers, the rate of spread + immunity doesn't add up, but my numbers could be wrong.
It seems to me that one of two things must be true:
Before the vaccine launched, r0 was greater than 1, but still low enough that most people didn't catch it. Then, after ~50% of people in the developed world got the vaccine (and ~20% of people had already gotten COVID), r0 was low enough that COVID died out in the developed world within a few months. After the vaccine launched and most people got it, r0 was high enough that COVID continued to spread. Before the vaccine launched, r0 was far higher, and pretty much everyone got it.
But both these things are false. Why?
(One thing that could explain it is that NPIs kept the virus in check, and people started behaving much more riskily after the vaccine became available. This seems intuitively wrong because the vaccine is so much more effective than NPIs but I'm not sure about the numbers.)
(Another possible explanation is that, even though vaccines are 90%(ish) effective at preventing spread, that doesn't reduce r0 by anywhere close to 90%. Which also seems wrong to me but I don't know exactly how r0 works.)
Regarding the moral quandary of who to give Paxlovid to: there are practical reasons to give it to the vaccinated person. Namely - it increases the probability that the treatment will be successful if the person you're giving it to already has good survival odds.
Yep, you want to target your interventions where you'll see the greatest gains relative to no intervention. If you have a miracle cure, you'd focus on those with the lowest untreated odds.
(In the specific case, however, you have to consider whether you're disincentivizing vaccination by giving better treatment to the unvaccinated.)
The answer to your question 4 "When supply isn’t limited, how do we get it to people in time?" is the same way Viagra is distributed, through spam messages in your email
Assuming that your prior is something like "[big number]% probability that the Eric Weinstein Twitter thread information about hospitals is correct", how do you update when you see things like the Minnesota full-page advertisement that claims they're "overwhelmed"?
Would having near-real-time (and clean) data about who's showing up at emergency rooms and what their experience is like (timestamps/chief complaint/etc.) help you write these articles at all? Feels like that sort of information is probably superfluous given that we all know what -should- be done.
The main action continues to be at the Omicron post. There’s still some background developments and near term developments worth noticing, but for now nothing that seems as important or that seems terribly urgent, so read that first.
Executive Summary
Also some other stuff, like Will Eden’s excellent tweetstorm below.
Let’s run the numbers.
The Numbers
Predictions
Prediction from last week: 750k cases (+2%) and 8,800 deaths (+5%).
Results: 747k cases (+2%) and 8,813 deaths (+5%).
Prediction for next week: 862k cases (+15%) and 9,050 deaths (+3%).
Those were some pretty good predictions. Don’t count on it happening again any time soon. Stuff’s about to get weird.
The case growth depends on how far along we are in Omicron taking over, and when those tests results will come in and how many people will get tested if the cases are mild. If we take the 2.9% for the period ending 12/11 seriously, we now are moving ahead 12 days, I’ll guess the true general doubling time is 3 days, so for the sample we’ll get it’s going to be something like 18% (+12% from previous levels) Omicron, and cases of Delta likely remain roughly level, with more upside than downside for the count. It’s already at or last that level in the specific places we’re measuring, but it makes sense that they’d be ‘ahead’ of other areas with much larger populations. And we’ll likely see some mitigation. So I’ll go with +15%, but the error bars are wildly higher than before. So many variables.
Deaths
Deaths are straightforward, no reason to expect major change. Paxlovid remains illegal, Omicron isn’t here yet for long enough.
Cases
This is the question. We saw some regional movement last week, it’s probably largely random reporting fluctuations, except that the rise in the Northeast is very real. Going forward it’s all about Omicron. It’s super hard to time it, and what comes up on tests is several days behind what’s actually happening (e.g. a full doubling time) but my guess is that we’re already above 10% and increasing fast. London is our future, it’s merely unevenly distributed for a limited time.
So, how about Paxlovid? Can we hurry?
Paxlovid Remains Illegal
The final numbers are in, and they look good. Efficacy holding steady at 88%, no deaths in the treatment group, actively fewer ‘side effects’ in the treatment group compared to controls (presumably because controls had Covid-19, which causes a lot of ‘side effects’).
So now we have four questions:
The answer to when is around the end of the year. As of writing this the prediction market now again has it as a favorite at 55%, I hope some of you are making yourselves some money. There isn’t that much uncertainty here at this point, as I understand it, and we’ll almost certainly have Paxlovid by mid-January.
That brings us to question two. There are going to be enough doses this year for 200,000 patients. That’s two days worth of known cases right now, one day by year’s end, so indeed going forward production (as crippled by worries about approval) will be the central limiting factor. Pfizer will have 80 million treatments available next year, of which the US Government has bought 10 million. We don’t have information on the rate at which this can ramp up, which will be important because the bulk of the cases in 2022 are probably going to be in the first two months, and that’s also when we need to use Paxlovid to reduce pressure on hospitals.
Weekend Editor expects a narrow authorization:
I have a very hard time believing that we’re going to deny Paxlovid to people who have tested positive because we’re worried about it causing resistance, even if that was wise. I also have a hard time believing we’re going to have abundant supply and hold it back from some population for ‘risk’ reasons, in the sense that this is so obviously insane even after all this we aren’t actually that insane right? Right? Oh no, at least half the time I type those words the answer is not what I’d like?
What I do expect is for this to be used as a de facto rationing method, with at least one period where there’s a surplus of supply that is sitting unused for a while, which brings us to the next question.
Given supply will be limited at crunch time, who gets that limited supply?
Presumably we should reserve doses for the elderly, whether or not it’s worth adjusting for conditions that constitute additional risk factors, because Paxlovid is even more effective in those cases and those cases have much higher baseline risk. There will be fights over geographic distribution, no doubt, but after that this part’s easy.
Then there’s the big problem. There’s two 70-year-old women, each positive for Covid-19. There’s only one difference between them, which is that one is vaccinated and the other is not vaccinated. You have one set of doses. Who gets it?
The argument for treating the unvaccinated patient is obvious. She’s at much higher risk. Can you imagine doing otherwise?
Yes, because the argument for treating the vaccinated patient is also obvious. Who is going to get vaccinated if it means you won’t get treatment? What would reaction be like if we were rewarding the unvaccinated with life saving medicine over the vaccinated? When that medicine was about as effective as vaccination? Can you imagine?
In other contexts, this choice has already been made in favor of the vaccinated, but this makes it that much more stark. My preference would be to announce the policy now, especially if it’s going to be vaccinated first. If you’re going to go for motivation and good incentives over the in-the-moment saving of lives, make it count.
Vaccine Effectiveness
Boosters seem to create not only a larger but a broader antibody response, which may be why they help so much with Omicron.
Previous infection also works, and quite well, and all that, says study.
For vaccine effectiveness against Omicron, see the Omicron posts.
Vaccine Mandates
What counts as ‘fully vaccinated?’ That’s changing in many places, with a lot of Europeans being reclassified as effectively unvaccinated until they get their boosters, which in many places severely limits the ability to live a normal life. Then it’s going to periodically happen again.
It’s important to be ‘fully vaccinated’ or you’ll lose access to important services.
Private groups can get in on the act. The Metropolitan Opera here in New York is requiring boosters.
Another problem is that even if you’re convinced that you want a booster, our logistical systems aren’t up to the task. Everyone from the elderly to children is having trouble getting vaccine appointments, despite plenty of supply. If we want to get back to levels we had early in the year, we’ll have to actually be professionals and talk logistics.
The flip side of this is that if you don’t understand why NHS (healthcare) workers need to be vaccinated, you’re not going to make it.
It’s one thing to think there’s two sides to this, but how tone deaf do you have to be to call it ‘totally wrong’?
NPIs Including Mask and Testing Mandates
Colorado Governor Jared Polis lifts mask mandate, promises not to institute a new one for Omicron, someone should open a prediction market on whether he’ll be eating his words by March. Which he might well have to do, but in the meantime you have to love the explanation.
I strongly agree with the sentiment that this is an excellent compromise. Instead of imposing stupid restrictions as a Sacrifice to the Gods and blaming it on those who we claim did us wrong, we tell those people they’re being morons and that what happens to them is their own darn fault. It’s a deal.
There is a catch. If Omicron wasn’t about to hit us I’d be fully on board with this, but given it’s hitting about (check notes) right now I am deeply curious how far ahead he has thought this through.
Meanwhile, Governor Hochul in New York has instituted her new indoor mask mandate. Saratoga County has declared they will not enforce the order. Neither will Nassau.
Reactions were mixed, here’s the first reply and its first reply in turn:
Ah, choices and markets at work.
Or an alternative interpretation from Alex Tabarrok.
If you want a test in New York you do not want to go to CityMD. There’s another two screens worth of this line, and it matches my experiences, and these resources are needed for other medical issues. Instead go to one of the places at this link, or one of the in-street tents. I got a test last week, it was free, I didn’t even have to give insurance, I was done in five minutes and got it back the next day.
If you get to urgent care before they open, you have a shot of getting urgent care in a timely manner. If you otherwise need urgent care, you won’t be getting it all that urgently.
I’m guessing this is similar in many other places, but I don’t know for sure.
So why don’t we have all those free at-home tests? Tell it to me straight, doc.
And there’s this, I mean I have a suggestion or two I could make but what else is there to say:
They also note how many tests are available.
I have a feeling that if the government started buying tests at good prices, and/or didn’t make many potential Covid-19 tests illegal (including many that are used a lot in Europe) that we would see expanded supply.
It’s also worth noting that a lot of the tests we do have are being used on very low-value things, like testing four year olds once a week. If we don’t have enough for people who have reason to think they might have Covid-19, we should think about to what extent such policies are making things actively worse.
NFL Players Association calls for a return to daily testing. They’ve been advocating for this all season, and are reiterating this call. They’re right, this is a high value place to use our tests, and we should use them here. Kudos to them. No football, no peace.
The interesting thing is that support among the public was moving in the opposite direction prior to Omicron.
This is a very non-representative sample, of course, but another data point:
Before, support rose and fell largely based on how bad things were. But even before Omicron, things were starting to get worse. Yet support for countermeasures was falling. There’s a general sense of having had enough, even more so than before. The question is, will that matter when the logic of exponential growth starts hitting like a truck?
On the lighter side, from Ontario, the very definition of a half-measure.
Think of the Children
In Other News
Words of wisdom from my old friend William Eden on how we’ve navigated the pandemic, and the choices facing us going forward. Here’s Eric Weinstein’s endorsement, and then the since I would tell you to read the whole thing, sure why not, here’s the whole thing.
I could quibble but mostly I’m on the same page. The exception is that Omicron is about to come on stupidly fast, and that’s one curve that there could be a lot of value in flattening this (hopefully last) time, including to buy time for Paxlovid, but it doesn’t look like there’s that much capacity coming in time, the Omicron boosters are way too slow to make a difference, and generally the few ways to use the time we might buy have been ignored. It’s time to accept that it’s over.
Words of wisdom from Taleb on vaccine safety, for those who need them.
Hospitals in Minnesota already overwhelmed, and things are about to rapidly get much worse.
Thread discussing media coverage of the lab leak hypothesis, and in particular even now continued attempts to use frame manipulation on the social level to hammer people who don’t fall in line and agree to treat this highly plausible hypothesis as conspiracy theory, even as it was quietly removed entirely from the semi-official graphical conspiracy theory pyramid.
I strongly agree with Kelsey’s perspective here. Whether or not the virus came from a lab (and whether or not Omicron came from a lab), the gain of function research going on is stunningly irresponsible and we’re doing nothing to address this. Except it’s not merely a project that risks ‘millions of lives,’ it’s an existential risk that could potentially wipe out humanity or civilization. The next virus might not be this mild.
Meanwhile, this week there was a lab leak of Covid out of a BSL-3 lab in Taiwan.
That Atlantic article about how no one in someone’s town cares about Covid. It opens like this:
These people, indeed.
Not Covid
Also Covid, but general and important:
FDA will make hearing aids less illegal, which is expected to increase availability while decreasing price, who knew? So in this case, the FDA has indeed stopped beating its wife. Which is good.
A bit on how they calculate hospital prices to put maximum pain on anyone foolish enough to show up without insurance but with money they can collect.