All of Malo's Comments + Replies

Malo6-12

Agree. I think Google DeepMind might actually be the most forthcoming about this kind of thing, e.g., see their Evaluating Frontier Models for Dangerous Capabilities report.

I thought that paper was just dangerous-capability evals, not safety-related metrics like adversarial robustness.

6habryka
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Malo72

I’d certainly be interested in hearing about them, though it currently seems pretty unlikely to me that it would make sense for MIRI to pivot to working on such things directly as opposed to encouraging others to do so (to the extent they agree with Nate/EYs view here).

1mishka
The easiest, most rapid way is probably via non-invasive BCI, but the risk management is, of course, non-trivial...
Malo72

I think this a great comment, and FWIW I agree with, or am at least sympathetic to, most of it.

Malo42

If you are on an airplane or a train, and you can suddenly work or watch on a real theater screen, that would be a big game. Travel enough and it is well worth paying for that, or it could even enable more travel.

Ben Thompson agrees in a followup (paywalled):

Vision Pro on an Airplane

I tweeted about this, but I think it’s worth including in the Update as a follow-up to last week’s review of the Vision Pro: I used the Vision Pro on an airplane over the weekend, sitting in economy, and it was absolutely incredible. I called it “life-changing” on Twitter, and

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Malo20

There is no sign that anyone plans to actually offer MLB or other games in this mode.


NBA seems somewhat bullish.

Malo60

That may be right but then the claim is wrong. The true claim would be "RSPs seem like a robustly good compromise with people who are more optimistic than me".

IDK man, this seems like nitpicking to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Though I do agree that, on my read, it’s technically more accurate.

My sense here is that Holden is speaking from a place where he considers himself to be among the folks (like you and I) who put significant probability on AI posing a catastrophic/existential risk in the next few years, and “people who have different views from mine” is referring to... (read more)

3simeon_c
Because it's meaningless to talk about a "compromise" dismissing one entire side of the people who disagree with you (but only one side!). Like I could say "global compute thresholds is a robustly good compromise with everyone who disagrees with me" *Footnote: only those who're more pessimistic than me.
Malo125

Responsible scaling policies (RSPs) seem like a robustly good compromise with people who have different views from mine

2. It seems like it's empirically wrong based on the strong pushback RSPs received so that at least you shouldn't call it "robustly", unless you mean a kind of modified version that would accommodate the most important parts of the pushback. 

FWIW, my read here was that “people who have different views from mine” was in reference to these sets of people:

  • Some people think that the kinds of risks I’m worried about are far off, farfetched
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7simeon_c
That may be right but then the claim is wrong. The true claim would be "RSPs seem like a robustly good compromise with people who are more optimistic than me". And then the claim becomes not really relevant?
Malo60

Our reserves increased substantially in 2021 due to a couple of large crypto donations

At the moment we've got ~$20M.

Malo210

FWIW, I approached Gretta about starting to help out with comms related stuff at MIRI, i.e., it wasn't Eliezer's idea.

Malo20

Interesting, I don't think I knew about this post until I clicked on the link in your comment.

Malo61

Quickly chiming in to add that I can imagine there might be some research we could do that could be more instrumentally useful to comms/policy objectives. Unclear whether it makes sense for us to do anything like that, but it's something I'm tracking.

Malo*3114
  1. Given Nate's comment: "This change is in large part an enshrinement of the status quo. Malo’s been doing a fine job running MIRI day-to-day for many many years (including feats like acquiring a rural residence for all staff who wanted to avoid cities during COVID, and getting that venue running smoothly). In recent years, morale has been low and I, at least, haven’t seen many hopeful paths before us." (Bold emphases are mine). Do you see the first bold sentence as being in conflict with the second, at all? If morale is low, why do you see that as an indica
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1Thoth Hermes
Unfortunately, I do not have a long response prepared to answer this (and perhaps it would be somewhat inappropriate, at this time), however I wanted to express the following: They wear their despair on their sleeves? I am admittedly somewhat surprised by this. 
Malo70
  • Does MIRI also plan to get involved in policy discussions (e.g. communicating directly with policymakers, and/or advocating for specific policies)?

We are limited in our ability to directly influence policy by our 501(c)3 status; that said, we do have some latitude there and we are exercising it within the limits of the law. See for example this tweet by Eliezer.

To expand on this a bit, I and a couple others at MIRI have been spending some time syncing up and strategizing with other people and orgs who are more directly focused on policy work themselves. We... (read more)

Malo131
  • Does MIRI need any help? (Or perhaps more precisely "Does MIRI need any help from the right kind of person with the right kind of skills, and if so, what would that person or those skills look like?")

Yes, I expect to be hiring in the comms department relatively soon but have not actually posted any job listings yet. I will post to LessWrong about it when I do.

That said, I'd be excited for folks who think they might have useful background or skills to contribute and would be excited to work at MIRI, to reach out and let us know they exist, or pitch us on why they might be a good addition to the team.

Malo72

MIRI used to be focused on safety research, but now it's mostly trying to stop the march towards superintelligence, by presenting the case for the extreme danger of the current trajectory.

Yeah, given the current state of the game board we think that work in the comms/policy space seems more impactful to us on the margin, so we'll be focusing on that as our top priority and see how things develop, That won't be our only focus though, we'll definitely continue to host/fund research.

Malo*2312

Sometimes quick org updates about team changes can be a little dry. ¯\(ツ)

I expect you’ll find the next post more interesting :)

(Edit: fixed typo)

Malo1913

My read was that his comment was in response to this part at the end of the post:

There’s a lot more we hope to say about our new (and still evolving) strategy, and about our general thinking on the world’s (generally very dire) situation. But I don’t want those announcements to further delay sharing the above updates, so I’ve factored our 2023 strategy updates into multiple posts, beginning with this one.

Malo250

Update: Added an announcement of our newest hire, Edward Kmett, as well as a list of links to relatively recent work we've been doing in Agent Foundations, and updated the post to reflect the fact that Giving Tuesday is over (though our matching opportunity continues)!

Malo40

It's my understanding, thought Oliver can of course correct me if I'm wrong, that the canonical domain will be lesswrong.com, and all lesserwrong.com/* links will redirect to lesswrong.com/*, to ensure that any links on the web to lesserwrong.com continue to work.

4habryka
Yep, that's correct. We probably will get around to doing that today.
Malo20

Update 2:

Professional poker players Martin Crowley, Tom Crowley, and Dan Smith, in partnership with Raising for Effective Giving, have just announced a $1 million Matching Challenge and included MIRI among the 10 organizations they are supporting!

Also, we’ve hit our first fundraising target ($625,000)!

See here for more details.

Malo40

Update 2: Professional poker players Martin Crowley, Tom Crowley, and Dan Smith, in partnership with Raising for Effective Giving, have just announced a $1 million Matching Challenge and included MIRI among the 10 organizations they are supporting!

Also, we’ve hit our first fundraising target ($625,000)!

See here for more details.

Malo20

Awesome! Thanks so much :)

Malo50

We just passed the 1/4 mark towards our first target! Fun fact, of the ~$200k raised so far in the fundraiser, ~65% of that has come from cryptocurrency dontions.

1ArisKatsaris
Makes sense, I'm betting many members of the wider rationalist community have seen their assets increase because of the significant rise of Bitcoin, Ethereum and other cryptocurrencies this year.
Malo70

We just passed the 1/4 mark towards our first target! Fun fact, of the ~$200k raised so far in the fundraiser, ~65% of that has come from cryptocurrency dontions.

Malo30

You might also want to check out Ketolent.

Malo80

It's just a really big project. It's almost an order of magnitude longer then In Eq, and it was written in a way that makes it much more challenging to turn into a paper book. E.g., links are pretty important when reading the Sequences. Said another way, the task of getting a physical book up for sale on Amazon is pretty trivial. The process of transforming the actual content of the Sequences into something that works in book form is significantly harder. In Eq doesn't have this issue.

The enormity of the task combined with other competing priorities at MIRI are the reason it's not out yet.

1Andrew Me
I don't understand. It's already in book form, just only available as an e-book. Wasn't the plan to turn the ebook into a physical book? (not create an entirely new book?) Also, links are great, but they aren't preventing an audio book. And a goal of R:AZ was that "You can simply read the book as a book." MIRI themselves stated in 2015 that " Paper versions should be available later this year." I guess they were just demonstrating this: https://www.readthesequences.com/Planning-Fallacy We should start a pool if this will be out before Winds of Winter!
2Andrew Me
wtf happened to rationality's print version?
Malo40

I think the new font looks pretty good. I do think though for a body font the x-height is pretty small which makes is less readable.

1habryka
Yeah, that is also my biggest problem with it. I might move towards Merriweather, which has a larger font-size, but fits a bit less with the theme of the page.
Malo10

I personally think to grey lines on the side do a pretty good job, but I also think that the boxes on LW 1 are doing something that makes things clearer. I do think that the LW 1 comments boxes do look a little junky though, and I'm very much enjoying the clean look of LW 2.0 overall. Not sure what a good compromise would be. Maybe all top level comments are a little more distinguishable in some way?

Malo20

I agree there is something nice about being able to see who upvoted or downvoted a comment or post, but I don't think I'd want this to be the default. I expect I'd feel uncomfortable voting on some stuff if I knew that my vote would be public. Maybe after voting, an option could appear that said something like “Make vote public”. Then you could have something pop up on hover (or with a tap on tablets/phones) that showed something like “Malo and 3 other people upvoted this post”. Though that would probably get unweildy if lots of people made

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3Said Achmiz
Well, I think I might've been unclear. I wasn't actually suggesting that upvotes come with authorship labels. All the reasons you list for why this isn't a great idea, I agree with. I was saying, rather, that the upvote/downvote system is fundamentally missing something; that it can't substitute for expressing explicit verbal agreement. The immediate corollary that should occur to us is: what is voting even for? Consider a scenario. I write a post about software usability. A hundred people read it, and have a strong enough opinion on its quality that they are moved to click the voting widget. 99 of those people are ordinary LessWrongers, with no particular expertise in the subject. They upvote me. The 100th person is Jakob Nielsen. He downvotes me. My post now has a score of 99 points. Is this an accurate representation of its value? No. One “layman” doesn't equal one Jakob Nielsen, when it comes to evaluating claims or opinions about usability engineering. Even 99 laymen doesn't equal one Jakob Nielsen. If Nielsen thinks that my post is crap, and that basically everything I'm saying is wrong and confused, well, basically, that's that. 99 non-expert LessWrongers doesn't “balance that out”, and the sum of “99 LessWrongers think I'm right” and “Jakob Nielsen thinks I'm wrong” does not come out to “a score of +99! what a great post!”. That's just not how that math works. Furthermore, suppose Nielsen posts a comment under my post, saying “this is crap and you're a nincompoop”. What, now, is the value of that “99” score, to a reader? You now know what a domain expert thinks. Unless other domain experts weigh in, there's nothing more to discuss. That 99 LessWrongers disagree with Jakob Nielsen about usability is... interesting, perhaps, in some academic sense. But from an epistemic standpoint, Nielsen's hypothetical comment tells you all you need to know about my post. The upvote score is obviated as a source of information about my post's value. And yet, it's the u
Malo10

Yeah upvotes can mean a lot of different things like endorse, agree, or high quality comment (even though I disagree). This comment thread on another post discussed some potential extensions to upvoting that might help with this.

Malo10

I don't think this is working for me. I just made a bunch of comments last night, and got a couple replies since then. When I visited the site today I only noticed people had added comments when I saw then in the recent comments section.

How's this supposed to work?

Malo10

Re: #1: I to am a big fan of Practical Typography :) That's a pretty good point, I actually don't thik we disagree much. I think I may prefer just slightly prefer whiter backgrouds with slightly grey text. But only slightly.

Re: #2: I largely agree with this, though I might lean more on the side of giving the user less configuration options. Like, if you give everyone an option for everything, then the options get real cluttered. But I don't have strong feeling about adding this preference in general.

Re: #3: Totally.

Malo10

This is an epic comment with lots of great ideas and observations.

A few comments/opinions:

  1. I don't think the text should be proper black as in #000000. I find that slightly off black makes for a better reading experience, and I think this is pretty standard practice, though I may be mistaken.

  2. I think it's a feature that upvotes and downvotes appear above and below. I may want to see the count at the top before reading, but then again at the bottom so I can vote once I've read the post.

  3. Agree that hamburgers aren't great, but hover based

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3Said Achmiz
Thanks! Re: #1: It is common practice to make body text off-black. Is it good practice? Well, Matthew Butterick’s book, Butterick’s Practical Typography—considered a definitive work on the subject—uses black text. You may note that Butterick suggests using off-black text—but consider his reasoning: the issue is contrast! As Butterick notes, screens emit light rather than absorbing it, making high contrast potentially painful to look at. Indeed; but darkening the background reduces the amount of light emitted, while lightening the text increases it. The former is superior as a way of reducing contrast. (Just don’t do both! That's wholly unnecessary.) Edit: Check out readthesequences.com for an example of “black on off-white”. Re: #2: Something to be A/B tested, I suppose. (Alternatively and even better: have this be user-configurable, via the account settings page, e.g.: "Display vote widget (•) above post only ( ) below post only ( ) both above and below post". "Sane defaults plus comprehensive configuration options" is the gold standard of UX design for such matters.) Re: #3: This is exactly the point of responsive design. Hover for desktop clients, hamburger for mobile. There is no reason at all to insist on a single, unified solution; web UIs should at all times be appropriate to the platform they're being viewed on.
Malo60

Nice!

Two thoughts:

  1. What about adding a small link icon next to the time that is the link to the comment. Having the time be the link is pretty hard to discover. Facebook does it this way, and it took me a pretty long time to consistently remember, and rediscovering was really annoying.

  2. I think the idea of displaying the linked comment at the top of the page is cool, but I also find it a little confusing (like I instictively think “where’s the rest of the discussion” for a quick sec). I also almost always click the “Show comment in full contetxt” link. Given

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3Said Achmiz
Fully seconded, on both points.
Malo10

Harvard Law Review also has a pretty classy way of doing footnotes (example post).

Malo10

Yeah that would be really great. Medium does this kind of well. Chris Olah's blog also has this feature (example post), but it’s implemented in a pretty hacky way using Disqus.

It would be cool if you could highlight some text in a post, and there was an easy way to create a comment that quoted that part of the text. Maybe you could even show some sort of visual highlight on that text in the post if the dicussion is high quality (measure by come combination of Karma and lenght?).

Malo60

Yeah, it's pretty unreasonable to expect typography to be dialed in for the closed beta :)

Some quick thoughts/opinions I have for the post text:

  • I'd consider making the body text a serif font. I find it's a better reading experience.

  • Body text is too grey. It definitely shouldn't be black, but maybe darker at something like: #2F2230.

  • I'd differentiate heading a little more, maybe a different font, or real small caps. Also if I was being really opinionated I'd only support 3 heading levels and make them smaller. I think people are

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1habryka
As many of you might have noticed, after a discussion with Malo and some great suggestions by him, the typography for the whole page is updated and looks a lot better! I will still do a larger typography rework at some point during the closed-beta, and will obviously do adjustments as I notice problems with the current setup, but I am definitely happier with this.
Malo30

I'd generally recommend reading Practical Typography, and Professional Web Typography. I expect knowing that stuff well would be valuable since LW is primary a websites where people read lots of text.

2habryka
Yes, I am a fan of Practical Typography and skimmed Professional Web Typography a while ago. I haven't yet spend super much time optimizing the typography of LW2, and am happy about input. Rereading both of the books above in the process of that might be a good idea.
Malo*20

Wording seem less clear then it could be here, what does it mean to say it “produces better problem-solving.” What about something like:

. . . that participants arrive at the correct answer more often when the problems is presented in terms of frequencies, 20 patients, rather then probabilities, 20% of patients.”

Malo*20

Agree. Could be replaced with “similar” or “similar in form”. The sentence could also be change to say something like “This problem is just like . . .”

Malo60

Someone just snagged the last $1,001 match. Thanks to all those who donated $1,001 to secure the matching, and DeevGrape for providing it!

Malo80

Another $1,001 donation has come it.

One last $1,001 match remaining.

6Malo
Someone just snagged the last $1,001 match. Thanks to all those who donated $1,001 to secure the matching, and DeevGrape for providing it!
Malo80

3 of the 5 $1,001 matches have already been claimed. As additional $1,001 donations come in I'll post updates here.

8Malo
Another $1,001 donation has come it. One last $1,001 match remaining.
Malo110

The server was down, but it is back up again now.

3ETranshumanist
Thank you!
Malo100

It does: http://agentfoundations.org/rss

The link to it is the last thing in the right sidebar. It says RSS in green.

Malo80

Definitely beneficial, there is no cost worth considering when it comes to the next marginal person getting the book through our site, even if their selection is $0. So don't worry about directing them there.

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