RobinZ comments on Open Thread June 2010, Part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RobinZ 09 June 2010 08:22:46PM 3 points [-]

That article makes it sound like "countersignaling" is forgoing a mandated signal - like showing up at a formal-dress occasion in street clothes.

Alicorn made a post about the tactics of countersignaling a while back.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 09 June 2010 08:57:12PM 1 point [-]

That article makes it sound like "countersignaling" is forgoing a mandated signal

I said "standard" because game theory doesn't talk about mandates, but that's pretty much what I said, isn't it? If you disagree with that usage, what do you think is right?

Incidentally, in von Neumann's model of poker, you should raise when you have a good hand or a poor hand, and check when you have a mediocre hand, which looks kind of like countersignaling. Of course, the information transference that yields the name "signal" is rather different. Also, I'm not interested in applications of game theory to hermetically sealed games.

Comment author: RobinZ 09 June 2010 09:10:13PM 1 point [-]

I guess I don't understand your question, then - countersignaling seems like a perfectly ordinary proper subset of signaling.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 09 June 2010 09:19:25PM 1 point [-]

Yes, countersignaling is signaling. The question is about practice, not theory. Does countersignaling actually happen?

Comment author: RobinZ 10 June 2010 12:33:02AM 0 points [-]

I can't prove that it does, if I'm honest.

Comment author: SilasBarta 09 June 2010 09:00:40PM *  1 point [-]

I play randomly for the first several rounds, so as to destroy the entanglement between my bets, my face, and my hand.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 10 June 2010 09:28:39PM 0 points [-]

Unless you're using an external randomness generator, it's quite unlikely that you're not generating a detectable pattern.

Comment author: Larks 11 June 2010 11:09:12AM 1 point [-]

He can just play blind, and not look at his cards.

Comment author: SilasBarta 10 June 2010 09:34:23PM 1 point [-]

I only care whether humans detect it.