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Comment author: AspiringKnitter 21 December 2011 06:41:24PM *  4 points [-]

I think I've gotten such a nice reception that I've also updated in the direction of "most atheists aren't cruel or hateful in everyday life" and "LessWrong believes in its own concern for other people because most members are nice".

The wish on top of that page is actually very problematic...

Oh, and do people usually upvote for niceness?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 December 2011 12:39:01PM 2 points [-]

Oh, and do people usually upvote for niceness?

The ordinary standard of courtesy here is pretty high, and I don't think you get upvotes for meeting it. You can get upvotes for being nice (assuming that you also include content) if it's a fraught issue.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 December 2011 10:39:12AM *  2 points [-]

I've also updated in the direction of "most atheists aren't cruel or hateful in everyday life"

I'm not sure atheist LW users would be a good sample of “most atheists”. I'd expect there to be a sizeable fraction of people who are atheists merely as a form of contrarianism.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 December 2011 12:42:12PM 1 point [-]

I'd expect there to be a sizeable fraction of people who are atheists merely as a form of contrarianism.

I don't think that's the case. I do think there are a good many people who are naturally contrarian, and use their atheism as a platform. There are also people who become atheists after having been mistreated in a religion, and they're angry.

I'm willing to bet a modest amount that going from religious to atheist has little or no effect on how much time a person spends on arguing about religion, especially in the short run.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 December 2011 01:16:55PM 0 points [-]

Well, IME in Italy people from the former Kingdom of the Two Sicilies are usually much more religious than people from the former Papal States and the latter are much more blasphemous, and I have plenty of reasons to believe it's not a coincidence.

Comment author: dlthomas 21 December 2011 06:52:51PM 2 points [-]

The wish on top of that page is actually very problematic...

Yes, that was a part of the point of the article - people try to fully specify what they want, it gets this complex, and it's still missing things; meanwhile, people understand what someone means when they say "I wish I was immortal."

Comment author: TheOtherDave 21 December 2011 07:13:32PM 1 point [-]

Well, they understand it about as well as the speaker does. It's not clear to me that the speaker always knows what they mean.

Comment author: dlthomas 21 December 2011 07:27:43PM 2 points [-]

Right - there's no misunderstanding, because the complexity is hidden by expectations and all sorts of shared stuff that isn't likely to be there when talking to a genie of the "sufficiently sophisticated AI" variety, unless you are very careful about making sure that it is. Hence, the wish has hidden complexity - the point (and title) of the article.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 December 2011 06:43:20PM 2 points [-]

Oh, and do people usually upvote for niceness?

For a certain value of niceness, yes.