Vaniver comments on Welcome to Less Wrong! - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 26 December 2011 10:37:37PM 5 points [-]

Maybe I'll beat some of it into a useful form and post it.

For one thing, the label "trolling" seems like it distracts more than it adds, just like "dark arts." AspiringKnitter's first post was loaded with influence techniques, as you point out, but it's not clear to me that pointing at influence techniques and saying "influence bad!" is valuable, especially in an introduction thread. I mean, what's the point of understanding human interaction if you use that understanding to botch your interactions?

Comment author: wedrifid 27 December 2011 07:40:18PM 4 points [-]

but it's not clear to me that pointing at influence techniques and saying "influence bad!" is valuable, especially in an introduction thread.

There is a clear benefit to pointing out when a mass of other people are falling for influence techniques in a way you consider undesirable.

Comment author: Vaniver 27 December 2011 10:20:13PM 0 points [-]

There is a clear benefit to pointing out when a mass of other people are falling for influence techniques in a way you consider undesirable.

It is certainly worth pointing out the techniques, especially since it looks like not everyone noticed them. What's not clear to me is the desirability of labeling it as "bad," which is how charges of trolling are typically interpreted.