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Comment author: Velochy 22 April 2009 07:12:44PM 1 point [-]

Hello,

My name is Margus Niitsoo and Im a 22 year old Computer Science doctorial student in Tartu, Estonia. I have wide interests that span religion and psychology as well (I am a pantheist by the way.. so somewhat religious but unaffected by most of the classical theism bashing). I got here through OB which I got to when reading about AI and the thing that shall not be named.

I do not identify myself as a rationalist for I only recently understood how emotional a person I really am and id like to enjoy it before trying to get it under control again. However, I am interested in understanding human behaviour as best I can and this blog has given me many new insights I doubt I could have gotten somewhere else.

Comment author: MBlume 22 April 2009 07:31:22PM *  3 points [-]

I do not identify myself as a rationalist for I only recently understood how emotional a person I really am and id like to enjoy it before trying to get it under control again.

Note that rationality does not necessarily oppose emotion.

Becoming more rational - arriving at better estimates of how-the-world-is - can diminish feelings or intensify them. Sometimes we run away from strong feelings by denying the facts, by flinching away from the view of the world that gave rise to the powerful emotion. If so, then as you study the skills of rationality and train yourself not to deny facts, your feelings will become stronger.

Feeling Rational

If the iron approaches your face, and you believe it is hot, and it is cool, the Way opposes your fear. If the iron approaches your face, and you believe it is cool, and it is hot, the Way opposes your calm.

The Twelve Virtues

Comment author: pjeby 22 April 2009 08:49:32PM 0 points [-]

If the iron approaches your face, and you believe it is hot, and it is cool, the Way opposes your fear. If the iron approaches your face, and you believe it is cool, and it is hot, the Way opposes your calm.

What if the iron is hot, but if you flinch, you'll be shot? Fear of the iron won't help you stay steady, and neither will fear of the bullet.

(Note: IAWYC, I'm just taking this opportunity to nitpick the silly notion that "truth" determines or even should determine your emotions. Emotions should be chosen to support your desired actions and results.)

Comment author: MBlume 22 April 2009 09:17:40PM 3 points [-]

My fear of the bullet would cause me to want to avoid it, which would mean I must ensure that I do not flinch. The decision to flinch or not to flinch is in the hands of low-level circuitry in my brain, and the current inputs to that circuitry will tend to produce a flinch. So I would be well advised to change those inputs if I can, by visualizing myself on a beach, curled up in bed, sitting at my computer writing comments on Less Wrong, or some other calming, comforting environment. If this is a form of self-deception, it is one I am comfortable with. It is of the same kind that I practiced as a member of the bardic conspiracy, and I don't think that hurt my epistemic rationality any.

Comment author: thomblake 22 April 2009 08:53:56PM 1 point [-]

Emotions should be chosen to support your desired actions and results.

Another shot in the battle over priority of epistemic or instrumental rationality?

Comment author: thomblake 22 April 2009 07:19:30PM *  1 point [-]

Note that rationality and emotion are not mutually exclusive, and thinking that they are can get you into trouble. Good reference, anyone? I'd recommend Aristotle.

ETA: Yes, Vladimir_Nesov's link, below, is what I was looking for.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 22 April 2009 07:24:24PM 2 points [-]

The reference from OB is Feeling Rational.