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2014 Less Wrong Census/Survey

88 Post author: Yvain 26 October 2014 06:05PM

It's that time of year again.

If you are reading this post and self-identify as a LWer, then you are the target population for the Less Wrong Census/Survey. Please take it. Doesn't matter if you don't post much. Doesn't matter if you're a lurker. Take the survey.

This year's census contains a "main survey" that should take about ten or fifteen minutes, as well as a bunch of "extra credit questions". You may do the extra credit questions if you want. You may skip all the extra credit questions if you want. They're pretty long and not all of them are very interesting. But it is very important that you not put off doing the survey or not do the survey at all because you're intimidated by the extra credit questions.

It also contains a chance at winning a MONETARY REWARD at the bottom. You do not need to fill in all the extra credit questions to get the MONETARY REWARD, just make an honest stab at as much of the survey as you can.

Please make things easier for my computer and by extension me by reading all the instructions and by answering any text questions in the simplest and most obvious possible way. For example, if it asks you "What language do you speak?" please answer "English" instead of "I speak English" or "It's English" or "English since I live in Canada" or "English (US)" or anything else. This will help me sort responses quickly and easily. Likewise, if a question asks for a number, please answer with a number such as "4", rather than "four".

The planned closing date for the survey is Friday, November 14. Instead of putting the survey off and then forgetting to do it, why not fill it out right now?

Okay! Enough preliminaries! Time to take the...




Thanks to everyone who suggested questions and ideas for the 2014 Less Wrong Census/Survey. I regret I was unable to take all of your suggestions into account, because of some limitations in Google Docs, concern about survey length, and contradictions/duplications among suggestions. The current survey is a mess and requires serious shortening and possibly a hard and fast rule that it will never get longer than it is right now.

By ancient tradition, if you take the survey you may comment saying you have done so here, and people will upvote you and you will get karma.

Comments (724)

Comment author: palladias 24 October 2014 02:37:48PM 70 points [-]

I took the survey. Out of curiosity (too late to change now) what should I have answered if I'm not my father's first child, but I'm the first child he had with my mom? (There are kids from my dad's first marriage, but I didn't grow up with them).

I went with "no older siblings" since I assumed this was a question about socialization (or maybe even about uterine environment) but not siring. But I'd like to know for next year.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 26 October 2014 10:00:49AM 21 points [-]

This should be a warning to us all about how hard it is to frame a good queston.

Comment author: randallsquared 25 October 2014 04:44:29PM 13 points [-]

I would also like to know for next year. I have four older siblings on my father's side, and two on my mother's, and only spent any home time with one (from my mother's side). So, I answered 6 for older, but depending on whether this was a socialization or uterine environment question, the best answer might have been either 1 or 2 for older.

Comment author: SilentCal 23 October 2014 06:07:39PM 65 points [-]


I'm a bit confused about the accuracy of my BSRI because my true answer was frequently 'only towards my SO', such that my score would be drastically different were I single.

Comment author: Ixiel 23 October 2014 09:57:02PM 62 points [-]

Taken! Thanks as always for running it

Comment author: AlanCrowe 24 October 2014 06:34:20PM 59 points [-]

I took the survey. Started on the BSRI but abandoned it because I found the process of giving vague answers to vague questions distressing.

Comment author: gjm 23 October 2014 10:20:24AM *  56 points [-]

About two hours ago, I submitted an incomplete census return -- it looks as if some keystroke produces an immediate submission, at least on my browser. I'll be submitting a complete one later today. Yvain, if you want to suppress the incomplete one and need help in identifying it then I can help. I was partway through the calibration questions when I accidentally submitted.

(I see TrE had the same problem.)

[EDITED to add: Complete return now submitted.]

Comment author: [deleted] 25 October 2014 04:59:37PM 48 points [-]

Did the survey.

Comment author: knb 26 October 2014 09:41:01AM 45 points [-]

We did it. Mission accomplished.

Comment author: gjm 23 October 2014 11:17:49AM 39 points [-]

Is it deliberate that the size of the MONETARY REWARD is not stated anywhere?

Comment author: Prismattic 23 October 2014 05:05:50AM 38 points [-]

Some US states do not have partisan voter registration, so choosing "no party" does not necessarily mean someone would not register by party if that option were available.

Comment author: JosephY 28 October 2014 01:33:22AM 37 points [-]

Did the survey! ...And now to upvote everything.

Comment author: beoShaffer 26 October 2014 01:22:03PM 35 points [-]

I forgot to ask, does spelling count on the calibration questions? Because there are several were I was less confidient of my spelling than of having the basically right answer.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 27 October 2014 05:40:52PM 34 points [-]


Comment author: Salemicus 29 October 2014 10:54:40AM 32 points [-]

I did the survey. Gadzooks!

Comment author: bentarm 28 October 2014 01:31:15PM 32 points [-]

Did the survey. I don't know what cisgender means, but I assume that's me, as I'm definitely not transgender...

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 24 October 2014 11:20:51AM 32 points [-]

Quick question: I assume the P(God) question excludes simulators, basement universes created in particle accelerators ect? I know it says supernatural, but since a parent universe would not necessarly obey the same laws of physics as the daughter universe, this could be counted as supernatural.

Comment author: [deleted] 29 October 2014 05:10:08AM 31 points [-]

Took the survey.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 24 October 2014 01:44:14PM 29 points [-]

"Social democrat" and "liberal" have been given almost identical descriptions. Don't know if that's deliberate.

Comment author: FullMeta_Rationalist 02 November 2014 01:12:24AM *  28 points [-]

FINISHED. ALL OF IT. \m/ Literally superhuman.

TIL I'm undifferentiated according to the BSRI... huh.

Karma for all, per tradition. <3

- a long time lurker

P.S. You can trashcan the premature submission that answers Part 8's first question with 23200. While revising my predicted date of the singularity, I brushed my keypad's enter (next to the 3) by mistake. ಠ_ಠ

Comment author: Vaniver 23 October 2014 01:41:24AM 75 points [-]

Did the survey!

Comment author: nottombrown 05 November 2014 02:03:55AM 25 points [-]

Completed. Look forward to the results.

Comment author: jkadlubo 04 November 2014 08:31:25AM 25 points [-]

For the first time I did it!

And want to thank the person who included "homemaker" in occupations list.

Comment author: Vulture 23 October 2014 02:54:58AM 69 points [-]

Taken! The way you were being so apologetic about the length, I thought it would be much more grueling - I found it quick and fun! :)

Comment author: Fluttershy 23 October 2014 02:32:14AM 69 points [-]

I completed the survey, huzzah!

Comment author: ete 23 October 2014 01:34:01AM 69 points [-]

Filled in, but did not do digit lengths because I have no access to a printer or scanner in the near future.

Comment author: Sigmaleph 23 October 2014 02:14:57AM 68 points [-]

Did the survey. Also, now I know my digit ratio!

Comment author: ahbwramc 23 October 2014 02:46:23AM 65 points [-]

Survey complete! I'd have answered the digit ratio question, but I don't have a ruler of all things at home. Ooh, now to go check my answers for the calibration questions.

Comment author: Prismattic 23 October 2014 05:13:09AM 64 points [-]

I'm done, but my ruler isn't good enough that I'm super confident in my digit ratios; I would have preferred one less significant digit (no pun intended, but I'll take it anyway).

Comment author: kilobug 23 October 2014 01:50:41PM 62 points [-]

Took the survey.

And yeah you should warn about the material needed for the digit ratio question in advance, so people don't start the survey if they aren't in the right conditions for it.

Comment author: Nectanebo 23 October 2014 04:45:22AM 62 points [-]

Took the survey. I always feel like I did the last one only recently.

Comment author: DataPacRat 23 October 2014 03:15:46AM *  62 points [-]

Done - and mildly disappointed that we won't be measuring the prevalence of transponyism this year.

Does this post appear on LW's Main or Discussion pages for anyone else? I only found it via an offsite reference. Edit: Nevermind, I had my Main set to 'Promoted' instead of 'New'.

Comment author: Sniffnoy 23 October 2014 05:12:42AM 61 points [-]

Took the survey.

Comment author: TobyBartels 23 October 2014 06:42:15AM *  60 points [-]

I did the survey. (Comments on specific aspects appear as replies.)

Comment author: JayDugger 23 October 2014 05:43:57AM 60 points [-]

I finished the survey.

Comment author: luminosity 23 October 2014 03:19:47AM 60 points [-]

Taken the survey (would have loved to do digit ratio, but too difficult to get access to the equipment needed).

Comment author: rejuvyesh 23 October 2014 02:55:31AM 57 points [-]

Except for the digit lengths, survey taken!

Comment author: [deleted] 23 October 2014 02:25:25PM 55 points [-]

Took the survey. My first one. Thanks for putting it together Yvain/Dan.

Comment author: goatherd 23 October 2014 05:57:50AM 55 points [-]

I'm missing something here, I filled in the public and private and keys, but saw no game theory problem. Are we being given equal chances of the monetary reward?

Anyway, fun survey.

Comment author: Ronak 24 October 2014 08:50:09AM 54 points [-]

I took it. If it's anything like last year, officially 2/5 of my karma will be from surveys.

Comment author: lalaithion 23 October 2014 05:36:04AM *  54 points [-]

Did it! I'm shocked that my digit ratio is so high. Like, I figured that it was pretty high, being a bisexual genderfluid "man" (assigned at birth, that is), but I didn't expect it to be greater than 1. Also, it was much shorter than I expected.

Comment author: Turgurth 24 October 2014 04:11:57AM 53 points [-]

Taken. Wasn't bothered by the length -- could be even longer next time.

Comment author: ialdabaoth 24 October 2014 01:21:52AM 52 points [-]

I exist in a quantifiable way! (I took the survey)

Comment author: Benito 23 October 2014 10:34:58AM *  52 points [-]

Answered all I could except the digit one because of no access to scanner. Looking forward to the results!

Comment author: Baisius 23 October 2014 08:44:41AM 52 points [-]

Completed. Very excited to see the digit ratio data.

Comment author: Anders_H 23 October 2014 04:08:51AM 52 points [-]

I completed the survey (and learned surprising things about my digit ratio)

Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 07:43:44AM 51 points [-]

I took the survey! This is my third survey.

Comment author: Sarunas 23 October 2014 06:50:22PM *  51 points [-]


I think it is somewhat unrealistic to expect individual digit ratios to be accurate to three significant figures (although I understand that two significant figures might be too crude a measure to show effects of smaller size). One can hope that the errors are symmetric and it doesn't matter.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 23 October 2014 05:41:22PM 50 points [-]

Answered. WRT Type of Global Catastrophic Risk, I answered conditioned on greater than 90% of humanity being wiped out before 2100, which I assume is what you meant. If it wasn't, well, I ruined everything, then.

Comment author: V_V 23 October 2014 02:40:26PM 50 points [-]


Comment author: Cthulhoo 23 October 2014 01:32:28PM 50 points [-]

Survey done, awesome as usual, Yvain. Can't wait for the results.

Comment author: MrMind 24 October 2014 08:34:15AM 49 points [-]

I did the survey in all its parts, and upvoted every top level comment to promote LW's census partecipation.

It was fun and not particularly long, although I miss the 'global prisoner dilemma' of the last survey.

Comment author: Markas 23 October 2014 03:43:07PM 49 points [-]


Comment author: DanielFilan 24 October 2014 12:39:04AM 48 points [-]

Did the survey!

Comment author: nicdevera 23 October 2014 05:50:37PM 48 points [-]

Done. Fairly high confidence that I'm still the lone Filipino LessWronger.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 October 2014 09:46:17AM 48 points [-]

I did the survey.

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 October 2014 11:50:28AM 47 points [-]

I took it. A bit sad that it's shorter than the last one.

Comment author: Calien 24 October 2014 11:27:40AM 47 points [-]

In-group fuzzes acquired, for science!

Comment author: LawrenceC 24 October 2014 10:05:13AM *  47 points [-]

Just completed my first survey!

Comment author: endoself 24 October 2014 04:23:01AM 47 points [-]

I took the survey.

Comment author: blacktrance 24 October 2014 02:02:41AM 47 points [-]

Finished the survey. Didn't answer the SSC question even though I read it regularly because I plan to take the edited version when it's posted there, and I also didn't answer the digit ratio question.

Comment author: Rubix 24 October 2014 01:27:49AM 47 points [-]

Survey surveilled!

Comment author: gjm 24 October 2014 09:43:21AM 12 points [-]

Nope. You've been surveilled, by the survey.

Comment author: Phothrism 24 October 2014 01:19:30AM 47 points [-]

Did it, that was fun! Can't wait for the results.

Comment author: Gvaerg 23 October 2014 10:48:22PM 47 points [-]

Did the survey! I think i gave highly contradictory answers.

Comment author: undermind 23 October 2014 10:20:38PM 47 points [-]

Survey done, including digit ratio. And I learned something new.

But not particularly confident in the accuracy of my measurement.

Comment author: TheMajor 23 October 2014 10:10:55PM *  47 points [-]

Survey done, except for the digits ratio question!

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 23 October 2014 09:21:16PM *  47 points [-]

Took it.

EDIT: I was surprised to find the BEM test in it. I took it some time ago and it resulted in 65-70% F and 50-60% M (as far as I can see largely because of my strong and caring relationship to my children).

I didn't determine my digit-ratio during the test but did right now. I arrive at totally different values (between 0.91 and 1.05) depending and hand and exact points and the copier print reading gives still different values. My best guess is that it is somewhere around 0.96.

Comment author: brahmaneya 23 October 2014 09:15:36PM 47 points [-]

Took the survey, except for the digit ratio part.

Comment author: Tristan 23 October 2014 07:23:55PM 47 points [-]

Survey taken!

Comment author: Neo 23 October 2014 06:57:29PM 47 points [-]


Comment author: Alicorn 23 October 2014 06:44:16PM 47 points [-]

Tooken. My scanner was being evil today so I only had low-res overview scans, and could only get to within a tenth of a centimeter, but I think my results are dramatic enough that it's not wildly incorrect to use my guess? Drop me if I'm wrong, I should be easy to pick out of the crowd via karma.

Comment author: rule_and_line 23 October 2014 05:46:38PM 47 points [-]

Done! Wish I had had a scanner handy going in, I'm curious about the digit ratio.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 October 2014 04:30:31PM 47 points [-]


Comment author: Screwtape 23 October 2014 03:50:24PM 47 points [-]

Survey finished- erred on the side of not screwing up Yvain's numbers where possible, but I'm curious what the ideal way to mark down Religious Background for results of families that divorced over religious disagreement is. Also had a really strong desire (thwarted, but present) to put a SQL injection into the question about whether the universe is a simulation, which is a bad idea no matter what the answer turns out to be or whether I could conceivably affect the simulation. It's like a pascal's wager mixed with a Russian roulette, only the gun is fully loaded. Either I screw up the numbers, I tank the survey, or I crash the simulation. Dear brain, we were reading about akrasia just recently, were you paying attention?

Comment author: FiftyTwo 23 October 2014 03:12:55PM 47 points [-]


Can anyone explain the Bem Sex Roles thing and why its relevant? I scored slightly more masculine and less feminine then average which confused me slightly. Its all self reporting though so I'm not sure how much it will express m nature vs what I value (like to think about myself)

Comment author: ruelian 23 October 2014 02:35:34PM 47 points [-]

Done, though sadly without the digit ratio due to lack of equipment. I'm a newbie and I just thought that was really cool.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 October 2014 01:50:50PM *  47 points [-]

Took the survey. Skipped the digit ratio - I could have done it but didn't feel like walking to the copier or finding a ruler.

Comment author: Prismattic 23 October 2014 06:22:41PM 12 points [-]

Next year I want to see an independent measure of conscientiousness, and compare this between people who bother to answer the digit ratio question and those who don't...

Comment author: MakoYass 01 November 2014 07:19:59AM *  16 points [-]

I think the question on P(God) is a lot more difficult to answer than the surveyors realize. We're all cognizant of the possibility of the known universe being a simulation, a machine constructed by some intelligent entity in a higher level universe*. Some of us consider the probability of the scenario Simulation to be high, if not absolute for reasons I wont go into here.

Many of us are define "natural" as "happened in reality", thus they define "supernatural" as "did not happen". Those may rightfully assign literal 0 to P(God), that is a statement as sure as the axioms of the logic you formulate it in. The rest of us, though, those of us who believe that all words should by virtue of their existence have a use, have to think a bit more. If "Supernatural" means anything, I'd be surprised if anyone here bears a definition that does not render Simulation equivalent to the scenario God as God was defined in the survey.

To me, "Supernatural", if you're going to use it, could only mean "so mysterious as to be beyond being reasoned about or modelled". The work of the simulator's hand would definitely qualify as such, and so too would the simulator itself. Lo, a supernatural creator. God is reality.

Comment author: DeterminateJacobian 23 October 2014 10:27:33PM 46 points [-]

I have taken the survey, and to signal my cooperation I have upvoted every existing top-level comment here. Do unto others...

Comment author: dthunt 23 October 2014 05:26:17PM 46 points [-]

Survey complete!

I'm kind of surprised at how much better I feel like I've gotten about reasoning about these really fuzzy estimates. One of my big goals last year was "get better at reasoning about really fuzzy things" and I feel like I've actually made big progress on that?

I'm really excited to see what the survey results look like this year. I'm hoping we've gotten better at overconfidence!

The gender default thing took me by surprise. I'm guessing that a lot of people answer yes to having a strong gender identity?

Comment author: Gedusa 23 October 2014 12:53:02PM 46 points [-]

I filled in the survey! Like many people I didn't have a ruler to use for the digit ratio question.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 24 October 2014 11:13:31AM 45 points [-]

I did the survey! This is the second time I've completed an iteration of this survey, but this year was the first time I answered all the questions. I also did all the extra credit except for the digit ratio question.

Comment author: AnthonyC 24 October 2014 10:30:01AM 45 points [-]


Comment author: Skeptityke 24 October 2014 03:04:28AM 45 points [-]


Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 02:01:49AM *  45 points [-]

Done, except the digit ratio thing.

Comment author: khafra 23 October 2014 01:14:03PM 45 points [-]

I would have given a response for digit ratio if I'd known about the steps to take the measurement before opening the survey, or if it were at the top of the survey, or if I could answer on a separate form after submitting the main survey. I didn't answer because I was afraid that if I took the time to do so, the survey form, or my https connection to it, or something else would time out, and I would lose all the answers I had entered.

Comment author: zedzed 23 October 2014 08:09:12AM 45 points [-]

I hope you don't count fanfiction as "books", because otherwise my response is off by at least two bullet points.

Comment author: Kawoomba 23 October 2014 06:49:38AM 45 points [-]

Carrier has arrived ... what? huh? Where am ... oh right, yea, did the survey.

Comment author: BloodyShrimp 23 October 2014 04:35:08AM *  45 points [-]

Done! The length is fine; the questions are interesting and fun to consider.

EDIT: removed concerns about "cryivf" if. "srzhe" nf ynetrfg obar (znff if. yratgu); gur cryivf nccneragyl vfa'g n "fvatyr obar".

Comment author: gjm 23 October 2014 02:46:30PM 44 points [-]

Submitted. (Yvain, if you're reading this, you might want to see my note about an accidental incomplete submission.)

Comment author: Creutzer 29 October 2014 07:22:32AM 15 points [-]

I'm a bit unhappy about the options for metaethical positions. I object to the identification of non-cognitivism with emotivism, because if non-cognitivism is defined as the position that moral statements don't have truth-values, then I'm a non-cognitivist, but I still hold that there are logical relationships between moral statements, and between moral and factual statements.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 02:54:26PM 43 points [-]

Done, except the digit ratio thing. I still picked a public key and a private key, so that if I get near a scanner or photocopier before November 14 I will submit an otherwise empty survey response with my digit ratios and the same public key and private key as today. Is that OK?

In Political, going only by the descriptions after the colons it looks like Liberal is halfway between Social democratic and Libertarian, and I picked it based on those, but... note that Moldbug also is socially permissive in most all the senses I care about (besides the post I linked, he also supports gay rights) and yet his position doesn't resemble that of the US Democratic Party or the UK Labour Party.

In Less Wrong Use, I rounded my top-level posts down to zero.

In Time on LW and Hours Online, thanks to LeechBlock, I didn't have to pull numbers out of my ass! Likewise for Meditate thanks to Beeminder. OTOH, I answered Books by counting the books I can remember reading and dividing by an anally extracted estimate of the fraction of books I read that I remember.

In the second part of the Calibration questions, does “correct” imply ‘correctly spelled’? My answers are P(correct and correctly spelled) + P(recognizable as the correct answer but misspelled)/2.

In the Mental Health section I took “believe” to mean ‘P > 50%’. Had it said ‘suspect’ instead, I might have answered a couple questions differently.

In the Voting question, I totally wish there were separate answers for ‘Yes, and I would do it again’ and ‘Yes, but I regret that’.

In the Vegetarian question I interpreted “flexitarian” narrowly and answered No, but I do eat much less meat than the average person.

I answered that I'm cis by default, but I would freak out if I woke up in a woman's body. But then again, I also would freak out if I woke up bald, or four inches taller. What I mean by saying that I'm cis by default is that posts like this one almost completely fail to resonate with me.

In Paleo Diet I interpreted “paleo principles” narrowly to only include meta-level principles so I picked the last answer, but if you count object-level principles such as not drinking a can of soda a day, I should have picked the second answer instead.

In Food Substitutes I wished there was an answer for ‘Neither Soylent nor MealSquares ship to my country’.

I'm surprised that in the BSRI male students and female students score so similarly. Did the researchers decide which answers would be masculine or feminine a priori, rather than a posteriori?

Comment author: gwern 23 October 2014 02:35:10AM 89 points [-]

Done. Too bad the basilisk question wasn't on it; I hope that will one day be possible.

Comment author: MTGandP 24 October 2014 05:22:53PM 42 points [-]

Survey complete!

Comment author: polymathwannabe 24 October 2014 05:11:07PM 42 points [-]

Just took it.

Comment author: queeborg 24 October 2014 12:07:42PM 42 points [-]

Survey completed. Account created to get starting karma and increase likelihood/amount of future participation.

I'd like to note that the current formulation of sex/gender/sexual orientation questions forced me to misrepresent myself because the technically correct answers seemed to cause an even greater misrepresentation. I would like extra options to the "sex assigned at birth" question, perhaps "male, now transitioned to female/other" and vice versa, to account for other-gendered transitioners; but I'll be the first to admit that this probably isn't a major issue.

Comment author: hawkice 23 October 2014 03:21:38AM 42 points [-]

I am somewhat disappointed to be asked about favorability with a movement without allowing me to distinguish between the ideals of that movement and the movement as it exists (see: feminism and social justice, which, as phenomenon in reality appear to be ways to generate indignation on tumblr -- I love equality but do not use tumblr and I don't see any purpose in being indignant on the internet).

Also, as regards a "Great Stagnation": Strongly Doubt is not the opposite of Strongly Believe. So I have strong doubts where the balance of my estimation is that Cowen is incorrect -- my radio button does not exist, it is too far to one end of the spectrum, despite not being a hyper-radicalized opinion.

Comment author: Kaninchen 24 October 2014 02:11:04PM 41 points [-]

Taken. Looking forward to seeing the results!

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 23 October 2014 09:58:02AM 41 points [-]

Done. The basilisk question was really interesting.

Welp, gotta go and destroy all humans now...

Comment author: slutbunwaller 25 October 2014 04:41:53PM *  40 points [-]

y'all a bunch of paranoid delusional mentally-disabled freaks who can't get laid

Comment author: AshwinV 25 October 2014 07:24:25AM 39 points [-]


Hopefully, i'll be able to change a few of my answers regarding the LW meetup frequency by next year. And the answers regarding donations should change drastically within 3 years.

Was pretty happy that I knew a bunch of the answers wrt the calibration section. :)

Now hand over them Karma points.

Comment author: davidrusu 25 October 2014 04:00:36AM 39 points [-]

Took the survey!

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 25 October 2014 03:45:59AM 39 points [-]

Done, except for the digit ratio, because I do not have access to a photocopier or scanner.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 25 October 2014 03:16:24AM 39 points [-]

I took the survey.

Comment author: peter_hurford 25 October 2014 02:39:23AM 39 points [-]


Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 October 2014 02:32:16AM 39 points [-]

Did it, including the digit ratio.

I may have found a problem-- if I didn't click on the background after answering a radio button question, then using the down arrow marked a lower radio button. I think I cleared up all the resulting errors, but it took two passes, and I may not have caught all the errors.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 05:01:50PM 39 points [-]

Took the survey! Now to upvote everyone who took it.

Comment author: Elund 26 October 2014 08:09:23AM 38 points [-]

I took the survey.

I have a few suggestions though.

For the race question, I recommend allowing people to pick more than one option, or creating an extra option saying "I don't primarily identify with one race".

For profession, I feel like it was unclear what people who aren't currently students or employed are supposed to pick. What they most recently worked in or studied in a formal setting? What about students who haven't declared a major yet? The field of study they're leaning toward?

For the time in community question, I suggest clarifying whether that includes lurking. My guess was no, but I think it was sufficiently vague to where a significant number of people wouldn't have guessed that.

I would also be interested in seeing a question relating to use of artificial cognitive enhancement techniques such as tDCS and nootropics.

Thanks for working on the survey. :)

Comment author: aarongertler 26 October 2014 04:30:50AM 38 points [-]

Done! The survey has been a progressively smoother experience each of the past three years. And it's nice to have a time to think about the past month's habits in a structured way during the school year.

Comment author: NikiT 26 October 2014 03:02:00AM 38 points [-]

My first comment is to say I did the survey.

Comment author: beoShaffer 26 October 2014 01:09:36AM 38 points [-]


Comment author: Capla 25 October 2014 11:43:29PM 38 points [-]


Comment author: Bobertron 25 October 2014 09:50:36PM 38 points [-]


Comment author: Emile 25 October 2014 08:44:09PM 38 points [-]

I have filled in the survey (I wouldn't have minded if it was longer!)

Comment author: [deleted] 25 October 2014 05:01:06PM 38 points [-]


Comment author: Dreaded_Anomaly 25 October 2014 05:50:28AM 38 points [-]

Submitted, answering almost all questions.

The hardest question was choosing a single favorite LW post.

Also, I wasn't sure if Worm should count as more than one book. (It didn't end up mattering.)

A scanner + Photoshop makes it significantly easier to measure digit ratios.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 25 October 2014 04:40:58AM 38 points [-]


I tried doing it on my phone earlier, but was having "issues" and decided to wait until I could do so on a laptop. In the mean time, I read the digit ratio comments and decided to try and measure mine.

I measured wrong, and the ruler (which is no more precise than half centimeters) did not come with me to my current location. *is sad*

Comment author: XFrequentist 25 October 2014 04:13:28AM 38 points [-]

Done did the survey!

Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 10:53:18PM 38 points [-]

Surveyed --- I feel somewhat unconfident about my calibration.

Comment author: RicardoFonseca 24 October 2014 09:00:24PM 38 points [-]

Did it just now. Lone portuguese (from Portugal) here with high certainty.

Comment author: ahartell 24 October 2014 07:07:30PM 38 points [-]


Comment author: Nornagest 24 October 2014 06:02:47PM 38 points [-]


Comment author: StephenR 24 October 2014 12:30:22PM 38 points [-]

All done.

Comment author: Baisius 23 October 2014 09:47:49AM 38 points [-]

For those that have mentioned a lack of a ruler, I used this one online: http://iruler.net/.

Might be worth it to link in the survey, if it's still editable.

Comment author: FactorialCode 26 October 2014 07:16:14PM 37 points [-]

Took the survey!

Comment author: bramflakes 26 October 2014 07:11:49PM 37 points [-]

i did it yay me

Comment author: redlizard 26 October 2014 07:11:24PM 37 points [-]

I took the survey. No scanner available, alas.

Comment author: SteveReilly 26 October 2014 06:41:20PM *  37 points [-]

Finished it. I can't wait to read the post that talks about how bad people are at following directions.

Comment author: Aharon 26 October 2014 08:03:18AM 37 points [-]

Done. Skipped the digit ration questions to not put off answering the rest.

Comment author: Coscott 26 October 2014 01:24:06AM 37 points [-]

Done. I accidentally hit enter when I had everything done except for the digit question, so It submitted my entry and I was not able to answer that question. :(

Comment author: radical_negative_one 25 October 2014 07:16:06PM 37 points [-]

Survey completed in full, reporting in for karma as per ancient tradition.

Thanks to Scott and Dan for all the work they put into this!

Comment author: Dallas 25 October 2014 03:02:42PM 37 points [-]

I completed the survey. (Did not do the digit ratio questions due to lack of available precise tools.)

Comment author: Jackercrack 25 October 2014 12:03:56PM 37 points [-]

Completed. I'll be fascinated to see how digit length correlates to gender default. It would imply some very interesting things about sexuality.

Comment author: SolveIt 25 October 2014 10:55:12AM 37 points [-]

Did the survey!

Comment author: FourFire 25 October 2014 10:10:01AM 37 points [-]

I answered every question except the last one (I don't have a scanner set up).

Comment author: kuudes 24 October 2014 09:32:25PM 37 points [-]

Thanks, I did the survey. I had been lurking some multiple months in irc and reading bits of sequences and now made an account after the survey.

I would be interested to work with the organizers to include an actual IQ testlet in a future survey.

Comment author: Raemon 24 October 2014 09:28:58PM 37 points [-]

Took the survey. I think I've mentioned this last year: I'd like more clarity about the distinction between a "supernatural" God and living in a simulation.

Comment author: iceman 24 October 2014 09:28:09PM 37 points [-]


Thank you for continuing to run it.

Comment author: 27chaos 23 October 2014 04:56:04PM *  37 points [-]
  1. I put an estimate on one calibration question that I knew was wrong. In hindsight I shouldn't have done that. The mistake: I don't know what bone is the longest in the body, but I knew that. So I put down a random answer for that question. But then I felt like it would be cheating on the calibration to put 0% after an intentionally wrong answer, so I put a higher number that wasn't accurate. My mistake, but other people might have done something similar.

  2. I want the political questions to measure the importance of an issue on next year's survey.

Comment author: solipsist 26 October 2014 10:41:46PM *  36 points [-]

Me, survey, did, etc.

EDIT: I do not self-identify as a LWer (and am a bit surprised other people here would do that), but I would expect to be in the survey target demographic none the less.

Comment author: ChristianKl 27 October 2014 04:53:09PM 11 points [-]

People who frequently play chess are chess players. People who frequently spent time on LW can be seen as LWers. With >1000 karma you simply fit in that category.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 26 October 2014 03:21:33AM 36 points [-]

I've gone back, sorted the comments by 'new', and upvoted everyone who commented they did the survey since I took it, and upvoted everyone who did it before me. This way I've upvoted everyone, and they got more karma. It took me three minutes. If you spend a substantial amount of spare time on Less Wrong, it might be worth it for others for you to do the same. The more people who do this, the more karma everyone gets. Also, it can act as an incentive for people to take the survey for karma even if they're late to the game.

Comment author: Tenoke 24 October 2014 12:31:38PM 36 points [-]

Hmm, I did worse on those calibration questions than I would've expected.

Comment author: DavidS 23 October 2014 12:39:14PM 36 points [-]

I am curious what kind of analysis you plan to run on the calibration questions. Obvious things to do:

For each user, compute the correlation between their probabilities and the 0-1 vector of right and wrong answers. Then display the correlations in some way (a histogram?).

For each question, compute the mean (or median) of the probability for the correct answers and for the wrong answers, and see how separated they are.

But neither of those feels like a really satisfactory measure of calibration.

Comment author: gjm 23 October 2014 10:33:58AM 36 points [-]

The question called P(Global Catastrophic Risk) should really be called something more like P(not Global Catastrophic Risk). (Or else the question itself should be inverted, but that would be a Bad Idea since some people have now filled in the survey.)

Comment author: tog 23 October 2014 09:35:34AM *  36 points [-]

I'll be interested to compare the results to the 2014 Effective Altruists Survey from earlier this year. Peter Hurford will be presenting its results soon, and I believe he's cross-tabulating them with those on the 2013 LW Census (including figures like the gender ratio and how much people donate).

Comment author: dspeyer 23 October 2014 04:33:19AM 56 points [-]


Didn't have a scanner, so I traced my hand on a piece of paper with a pencil and measured that. Not sure I got enough accuracy to take seriously. Oh, well.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 26 October 2014 01:56:22PM *  35 points [-]

I filled out the survey. Thanks for doing this!

The digit ratio instructions are underspecified.

  1. "....from the middle of the bottom crease". It's hard to tell what the "middle" means meaningfully enough to produce any sort of measurement, even to the nearest centimeter; certainly it is impossible to measure "to the nearest hundredth of a centimeter."

  2. The instructions don't mention the left hand, and don't mention the step of scanning/copying your hand. We can easily interpolate, but the instructions are structured as if they are meant to be followed formally, so may as well make them precise.

Comment author: VAuroch 23 October 2014 05:53:57AM 35 points [-]

Is Anti-Agathics a strict superset of Cryonics? That is to say, would someone becoming cryonically frozen and then restored, and then living for 1000 years from that date, count as a success for the anti-agathics question?

Comment author: Princess_Stargirl 27 October 2014 01:28:38AM 34 points [-]

I too have done the survey!

And am extremely excited to see the results.

Comment author: Prankster 26 October 2014 10:42:27PM 34 points [-]


Looking forward to the analysis and release of data!

Comment author: Petter 26 October 2014 06:18:15PM 34 points [-]


Comment author: ChristianKl 24 October 2014 12:03:50PM 34 points [-]

Given the decision on a cap in length I think it might be worthwhile to do a second LW Lifestyle and Values survey in addition to the census. At best with half a year of distance to the census.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 24 October 2014 06:20:14AM *  34 points [-]

Most comments show exactly one downvote without a clear pattern why. I'd guess that a single person downvoted all these short comments. Can it be that this user doesn't know the custom of upvoting survey-takers?

ADDED 2014-10-25T16:20 UTC: The single downvotes disappeared.

ADDED 2014-10-26T21:10 UTC: The single downvotes reappeared again (at least for a lot of high scoring comments).

Comment author: [deleted] 24 October 2014 03:00:33PM 16 points [-]

Can it be that this user doesn't know the custom of upvoting survey-takers?

Or disagrees with it.

Comment author: bendini 26 October 2014 11:33:02PM 33 points [-]

Done. If I were to make a wager I'd say that the correlation between a low digit ratio and stereotypically masculine traits is fairly weak, based on my own >90th percentile high digit ratio yet high masculinity/low femininity scores on the inventory (as well as anecdotal reports from others corroborating my stereotypically masculine traits)

Comment author: Shane_Patt 26 October 2014 11:31:50PM 33 points [-]


Comment author: William_Quixote 26 October 2014 10:55:57PM 33 points [-]

done but for digit ratio

Comment author: blink 26 October 2014 10:13:55PM 33 points [-]

I took the survey. Happy aggregating!

Comment author: Palinski 26 October 2014 09:03:25PM 33 points [-]


Comment author: Vulture 24 October 2014 06:31:26PM 33 points [-]

Something that just occurred to me (separate from my took-it comment): Scott, do you take your own survey?

Comment author: Eneasz 30 October 2014 04:52:15PM 32 points [-]

Taken, in full

Comment author: ChrisBillington 30 October 2014 03:27:11AM 32 points [-]

Did the survey!

Minor quibble:

Number of Current Partners (for example, 0 if you are single, 1 if you are in a monogamous relationship ...)

Seems like bad wording - what if you're in exactly one polyamorous relationship? Your partner could be seeing other people, and even if you're not seeing anyone else you wouldn't call it monogamous.

Comment author: MaximumLiberty 29 October 2014 07:45:07PM 32 points [-]

I took the survey. I won't give it back, either.

Comment author: shiro_inu 29 October 2014 01:05:56PM 32 points [-]

Did the survey.

I started reading the articles only recently and just registered the account now.

Comment author: eeuuah 27 October 2014 12:43:50PM 32 points [-]


Comment author: hibiscus 27 October 2014 02:53:52AM 32 points [-]

Done! Although I'm not quite sure how that was supposed to be 10-15 minutes...

Comment author: [deleted] 27 October 2014 02:40:43AM 32 points [-]

My first comment here after about a month of lurking is to say that I've completed the survey. Looking forward to seeing the results.

Comment author: BenjaminB 27 October 2014 02:28:07AM 32 points [-]

I have done the survey. Now I am off to upvote everybody else.

Comment author: Rowdy 27 October 2014 02:17:48AM 32 points [-]


Yvain, thanks for organising these! :-)

Comment author: Rangi 27 October 2014 02:07:24AM 32 points [-]

I took the survey. The BSRI reminds me of the MBTI, though, in that the questions are vague and I would probably give different answers depending on various factors, like what time it is or whom I've interacted with recently.

Comment author: Huluk 26 October 2014 08:20:08PM 32 points [-]

Did the survey. Accidently pressed submit before calculating digit ratio :( Answered everything else though.

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 25 October 2014 10:01:01AM *  32 points [-]

Maybe next time add schizoid personality disorder to the "I think I might have this psych disorder" list.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 October 2014 02:58:59AM *  32 points [-]

Distinguishing Liberal/Social Democratic seems silly, as the difference between Neoreactionary and Conservative is much greater yet they aren't on the poll, and in previous years they were about as common as self-aware Communists.

Also note that the majority of people who pick "Conservative" on LessWrong are probably going to be Neoreactionary in their preferences and one of the more important markers of that group is strongly dissaproving of right wing people who think they can change things by voting and a loathing for the useless and actually harmfull nature of US Republicans.

Comment author: Username 29 October 2014 12:13:19AM *  11 points [-]

Here are the answers to the calibration questions if anyone is curious (rot13):

Q: What is the largest single bone in the human body?
A: Gur srzhe (be guvtuobar) vf gur ybatrfg, urnivrfg, naq zbfg ibyhzvabhf obar va gur uhzna obql. Vg znxrf hc 26% bs na vaqvivqhny'f urvtug ba vgf bja. Gur gvovn (be fuvaobar) vf gur frpbaq ybatrfg, naq V pbhyqa'g svaq vasbezngvba ba gur frpbaq urnivrfg. Hapyrne vs gur cryivf pbhagf, orpnhfr gur cryivf vf znqr bs frireny obarf shfrq gbtrgure.

Q: In what US state was Barack Obama born?
A: Unjnvv. Gurer jnf na bqq pbafcvenpl gurbel gung Bonzn jnf npghnyyl obea va Xraln naq gung uvf Unjnvvna ovegu pregvsvpngr jnf snxrq.

Q: The Battle of Trafalgar was fought off the coast of which country?
A: Fcnva. Gur 1805 Onggyr bs Gensnytne jnf sbhtug whfg bss gur pbnfg bs Pncr Gensnytne, Fcnva. Gur Oevgvfu fbhaqyl qrsrngrq n pbzovarq Serapu naq Fcnavfu anil, ybfvat abg n fvatyr fuvc gb gurve 22. Vg jnf gur zbfg qrpvfvir aniny ivpgbel bs gur Ancbyrbavp Jnef.

Q: Who is the one-eyed chief god of Norse mythology, sometimes called "the All-Father"?
A: Bqva. Bqva vf gur Nyysngure bs gur Abefr Tbqf, naq gur ehyre bs Nftneq (juvpu pbagnvaf Inyunyyn). Ur tbhtrq bhg bar bs uvf rlrf va beqre gb qevax sebz gur Jryy bs Jvfqbz naq va qbvat fb tnva xabjyrqtr bs nyy guvatf.

Q: What is the last name of the famous scientist who received the Nobel Prize in 1932, which the prize committee described as being "for the creation of quantum mechanics"?
A: Urvfraoret. Jreare Urvfraoret jba gur 1932 Abory Cevmr va culfvpf sbe 'gur perngvba bs dhnaghz zrpunavpf', juvpu jnf npghnyyl njneqrq gb uvz va 1933 (gur Abory pbzzvggrr sryg gung ab 1932 cncref qrfreirq gur cevmr naq fb njneqrq gur 1932 njneq va 1933). Fbzr pbagebirefl rkvfgf nf gb jul Znk Obea qvq abg funer gur cevmr.

Q: What is the densest planet in the solar system?
A: Rnegu vf gur qrafrfg cynarg va gur fbyne flfgrz, jvgu n qrafvgl bs 5.51t/pz^3. Vg vf sbyybjrq ol Zrephel (5.43t/pz^3), Irahf (5.20t/pz^3), naq Znef (3.94t/pz^3). Fnghea vf gur yrnfg qrafr, ng 0.68t/pz^3 (vg pbhyq sybng va jngre).

Q: What famous Biblical figure had two wives named Rachel and Leah?
A: Wnpbo. Wnpbo gevrq gb zneel gur snezre tvey Enpury, ohg ba gur jrqqvat qnl Enpury'f sngure fjvgpurq ure jvgu ure fvfgre Yrnu naq Wnpbo vanqiregragyl zneevrq gur jebat tvey. Gur sngure nterrq gb yrg uvz zneel Enpury nf jryy vs Wnpbo jbexrq sbe uvz sbe na nqqvgvbany 7 lrnef, juvpu ur qvq. Wnpbo jrag ba gb sbhaq gur 12 gevorf bs Vfenry, znxvat uvz gur sngure bs gur Vfenryvgrf.

Q: What organelle, believed to be descended from ancient symbiotic intracellular bacteria, is sometimes called "the powerhouse of the cell"?
A: Zvgbpubaqevba (be zvgbpubaqevn). Gurfr cebqhpr raretl sbe gur pryy va gur sbez bs NGC naq ner gurbevmrq gb unir bapr orra vaqrcraqrag onpgrevn gung zretrq jvgu bgure pryyf va n flzovbgvp eryngvbafuvc. Guvf gurbel vf pnyyrq flzovbtravfvf.

Q: The three most populous countries in the world are China, India, and the United States. Which country is number four?
A: Vaqbarfvn, jvgu 252 zvyyvba crbcyr. Sbyybjrq ol Oenmvy (203 zvyyvba), Cnxvfgna (188 zvyyvba), naq Avtrevn (178 zvyyvba).

Q: What is the best-selling computer game of all time?
A: Zvarpensg, juvpu unf fbyq 17 zvyyvba pbcvrf. Jbeyq bs Jnepensg, Qvnoyb VVV, Unys-Yvsr 2, Fgnepensg, naq Gur Fvzf 3 unir nyy fbyq bire 10 zvyyvba pbcvrf.

Comment author: Steven_Bukal 28 October 2014 04:53:33PM 31 points [-]

Did the survey. Thank you once again, Yvain.

Comment author: Emily 27 October 2014 03:14:42PM 31 points [-]

I did the survey! I don't have sufficiently convenient access to a photocopier or scanner to be induced to do the digit ratio thing though.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 October 2014 02:21:05PM 31 points [-]

Did it. Did all the extra credit except for the digit ratio.

Also, apparently I really have weird ideas about gender, as I'm masculine 55 and feminine 38, more masculine and less feminine than the average male (and I was born male), but I also answered that I don't particularly prefer being born male, modulo the relevant social roles. It's all just sorta a thing that happened; if it had happened the other way, I might have grown up being influenced into different roles and different ways of behaving, but I'd still pretty much be me (complete with being really weirdly headstrong and over-aggressive).

Comment author: CBHacking 27 October 2014 11:22:47AM *  31 points [-]

Top-level comment to say yep, took the survey! Well, except for the digit length by tool-aided measurement. However, I did do a rough measurement (which I chose to not record on the survey) by manually aligning the creases on both hands (first to verify corresponding finger lengths, then to compare D2:D4) I determined my digit ratio to be in excess of 1.00 and possibly as high as 1.02, which would make me very unusual (especially for a cis male). Then again, my height already makes me that.

Also, this is the first thread in which I've commented on LW! My actual first comment (with more stuff about the survey) is here: http://lesswrong.com/lw/l5k/2014_less_wrong_censussurvey/bihv EDIT: Feedback that I posted in that other comment, which it was pointed out really belongs here: Part Four's "Moral Views" section could have used links (LW, WP, wherever) for those of us who aren't sure about the selection of moral philosophies. It is a question I had been exploring, but mostly just in a "judge each as they are presented to me" approach and I had not encountered all of them before. Also, the WP articles for some of them do not contrast them with the others, so suggested alternate sources would be welcome.

EDIT2: Did somebody go on a downvote-rampage? Every comment in this section of the thread seems to have been downvoted at least once. Is there some rule of "you're not supposed to get more than 12 free karma out of this thread" or something that I missed? (Bearing in mind that I'm a newbie, I did not expect this behavior and would generally appreciate knowing why something I post is downvoted.)

Comment author: ike 27 October 2014 01:10:00AM 31 points [-]

Finished the survey.

Comment author: Pablo_Villalobos 02 November 2014 05:57:32PM *  30 points [-]

Did the survey. Seemed shorter than last year but I haven't gone back to double check how long last year's was.

In regards to the question on what sort of job you have, I selected 'other' because I work in a factory. I considered selecting 'business' since the factory is owned by a for-profit business, but given that many of the other options were professional positions where one might also be an employee of a business, and because my job is a labor union job rather than a professional position, I took the 'business' option to be more along the lines of e.g. owning a business. I might suggest adding other options like 'manufacturing labor' or the like in the future, if you get enough similar responses to warrant adding those sort of options.

Comment author: edanm 02 November 2014 03:58:36PM 30 points [-]

Did the survey. It felt much shorter this year.

Comment author: kpreid 02 November 2014 03:58:53AM 30 points [-]

Took the survey. Did not read the comments first. Here are my observations after filling it out and reading the comments:

Problems encountered:

  • I followed the instructions carefully for the digit ratio question. I then went to enter my answer and found that the instructions failed to tell me to image my left hand as well as my right, so I gave the partial answer I had rather than go through all the steps again for the left hand. As of this writing, one other person commented on this problem.

Criticism of questions:

  • I realize after the fact that when answering “how many books have you read”, I counted only things which are books in the sense of "the kind of thing that has an ISBN", excluding book-length self-published-on-the-internet documents, and also thought only of new books as opposed to rereads. I request that future versions of this question clarify what counts as a book and whether rereading counts.

  • "Hours Online": what counts as "on the Internet" in today's world is unclear. If I'm writing a book in Google Docs, does that count? If I'm focused on a problem, but I have an IRC channel open in the corner of my screen, does that count? If I'm walking down the street and my phone notifies me of a post which I immediately read, does that count?

    Generally: there is a spectrum of plausible interpretations from "performing any activity which requires a functioning Internet connection" (broad definition) to "aimless web surfing" (narrow definition).

  • "Moral Views" could benefit from links to definitions.

Comment author: LyleN 30 October 2014 09:36:00PM 30 points [-]

Took the survey!

Also, a frequent lurker who has finally made an account!

Comment author: Mollie 30 October 2014 02:14:32PM 30 points [-]

I took the survey.

Comment author: scrafty 30 October 2014 02:11:38AM 30 points [-]

I did it, I did it, I did it, yay!

Comment author: Sjcs 29 October 2014 11:07:35PM *  30 points [-]

Took the survey a few days ago, and forgot to even comment! Thanks Yvain and looking forward to seeing what comes out of it

Comment author: Ander 29 October 2014 08:26:59PM 30 points [-]

Survey complete!

I always look forward to seeing the results of these.

Comment author: lavalamp 29 October 2014 08:04:18PM 30 points [-]

Done. Thank you for running these.

Comment author: Calecute 29 October 2014 03:13:01AM 30 points [-]

I completed the survey.

Yvain, in the "Referrals" section I feel the wording is a little ambiguous in what you should do if you were referred by Overcoming Bias but you've not "Been here since it was started in the Overcoming Bias days". I think you should answer "Referred by a link on another blog or website" on the first one and write "Overcoming Bias" in the second question despite the "other than Overcoming Bias" in it. But I'm not completely confident that this is what you would expect, or if other people would read it the same way.

Comment author: riceissa 28 October 2014 07:52:57AM 30 points [-]

I took the survey.

Comment author: amcknight 28 October 2014 04:49:03AM 30 points [-]

Done! Ahhh, another year another survey. I feel like I did one just a few months ago. I wish I knew my previous answers about gods, aliens, cryonics, and simulators.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 28 October 2014 03:19:36AM 30 points [-]

Glad to do the survey, and appreciate that LW takes the views of readers seriously, that's great!

Comment author: oge 27 October 2014 09:40:26PM 30 points [-]

I took the survey. Finding a ruler with the correct precision was difficult so I skipped the digit question. Anyone in the Bay Area with the requisite equipment?

Comment author: ww2 27 October 2014 09:09:08PM 30 points [-]

Survey complete.

Comment author: komponisto 27 October 2014 08:43:08PM 30 points [-]


Comment author: Kytael 27 October 2014 05:29:57PM 30 points [-]

done. I always like doing these. how will the SSC version be different?

Comment author: alexgieg 27 October 2014 04:50:54PM 30 points [-]