Epistemic Note:
The implications of this argument being true are quite substantial, and I do not have any knowledge of the internal workings of Open Phil.
(Both title and this note have been edited, cheers to Ben Pace for very constructive feedback.)
Premise 1:
It is becoming increasingly clear that OpenAI is not appropriately prioritizing safety over advancing capabilities research.
Premise 2:
This was the default outcome.
Instances in history in which private companies (or any individual humans) have intentionally turned down huge profits and power are the exception, not the rule.
Edit: To clarify, you need to be skeptical of seemingly altruistic statements and commitments made by humans when there are exceptionally lucrative incentives to break these commitments at a later point in time (and limited ways to enforce the original commitment).
Premise 3:
Without repercussions for terrible decisions, decision makers have no skin in the game.
Conclusion:
Anyone and everyone involved with Open Phil recommending a grant of $30 million dollars be given to OpenAI in 2017 shouldn't be allowed anywhere near AI Safety decision maki...
From that page:
We expect the primary benefits of this grant to stem from our partnership with OpenAI, rather than simply from contributing funding toward OpenAI’s work. While we would also expect general support for OpenAI to be likely beneficial on its own, the case for this grant hinges on the benefits we anticipate from our partnership, particularly the opportunity to help play a role in OpenAI’s approach to safety and governance issues.
So the case for the grant wasn't "we think it's good to make OAI go faster/better".
Why do you think the grant was bad? E.g. I don't think "OAI is bad" would suffice to establish that the grant was bad.
So the case for the grant wasn't "we think it's good to make OAI go faster/better".
I agree. My intended meaning is not that the grant is bad because its purpose was to accelerate capabilities. I apologize that the original post was ambiguous
Rather, the grant was bad for numerous reasons, including but not limited to:
This last claim ...
In your initial post, it sounded like you were trying to say:
This grant was obviously ex ante bad. In fact, it's so obvious that it was ex ante bad that we should strongly update against everyone involved in making it.
I think that this argument is in principle reasonable. But to establish it, you have to demonstrate that the grant was extremely obviously ex ante bad. I don't think your arguments here come close to persuading me of this.
For example, re governance impact, when the board fired sama, markets thought it was plausible he would stay gone. If that had happened, I don't think you'd assess the governance impact as "underwhelming". So I think that (if you're in favor of sama being fired in that situation, which you probably are) you shouldn't consider the governance impact of this grant to be obviously ex ante ineffective.
I think that arguing about the impact of grants requires much more thoroughness than you're using here. I think your post has a bad "ratio of heat to light": you're making a provocative claim but not really spelling out why you believe the premises.
"This grant was obviously ex ante bad. In fact, it's so obvious that it was ex ante bad that we should strongly update against everyone involved in making it."
This is an accurate summary.
"arguing about the impact of grants requires much more thoroughness than you're using here"
We might not agree on the level of effort required for a quick take. I do not currently have the time available to expand this into a full write up on the EA forum but am still interested in discussing this with the community.
"you're making a provocative claim but not really spelling out why you believe the premises."
I think this is a fair criticism and something I hope I can improve on.
I feel frustrated that your initial comment (which is now the top reply) implies I either hadn't read the 1700 word grant justification that is at the core of my argument, or was intentionally misrepresenting it to make my point. This seems to be an extremely uncharitable interpretation of my initial post. (Edit: I am retracting this statement and now understand Buck's comment was meaningful context. Apologies to Buck and see commentary by Ryan Greenblat below)
Your reply has been quite meta, which makes it difficul...
I feel frustrated that your initial comment (which is now the top reply) implies I either hadn't read the 1700 word grant justification that is at the core of my argument, or was intentionally misrepresenting it to make my point.
I think this comment is extremely important for bystanders to understand the context of the grant and it isn't mentioned in your original short form post.
So, regardless of whether you understand the situation, it's important that other people understand the intention of the grant (and this intention isn't obvious from your original comment). Thus, this comment from Buck is valuable.
I also think that the main interpretation from bystanders of your original shortform would be something like:
Fair enough if this wasn't your intention, but I think it will be how bystanders interact with this.
"we would also expect general support for OpenAI to be likely beneficial on its own" seems to imply that they did think it was good to make OAI go faster/better, unless that statement was a lie to avoid badmouthing a grantee.
I just realized that Paul Christiano and Dario Amodei both probably have signed non-disclosure + non-disparagement contracts since they both left OpenAI.
That impacts how I'd interpret Paul's (and Dario's) claims and opinions (or the lack thereof), that relates to OpenAI or alignment proposals entangled with what OpenAI is doing. If Paul has systematically silenced himself, and a large amount of OpenPhil and SFF money has been mis-allocated because of systematically skewed beliefs that these organizations have had due to Paul's opinions or lack thereof, well. I don't think this is the case though -- I expect Paul, Dario, and Holden all seem to have converged on similar beliefs (whether they track reality or not) and have taken actions consistent with those beliefs.
I mean, if Paul doesn't confirm that he is not under any non-disparagement obligations to OpenAI like Cullen O' Keefe did, we have our answer.
In fact, given this asymmetry of information situation, it makes sense to assume that Paul is under such an obligation until he claims otherwise.
I don't know the answer, but it would be fun to have a twitter comment with a zillion likes asking Sam Altman this question. Maybe someone should make one?
I mostly agree with premises 1, 2, and 3, but I don't see how the conclusion follows.
It is possible for things to be hard to influence and yet still worth it to try to influence them.
(Note that the $30 million grant was not an endorsement and was instead a partnership (e.g. it came with a board seat), see Buck's comment.)
(Ex-post, I think this endeavour was probably net negative, though I'm pretty unsure and ex-ante I currently think it seems great.)
It's also notable that the topic of OpenAI nondisparagement agreements was brought to Holden Karnofsky's attention in 2022, and he replied with "I don’t know whether OpenAI uses nondisparagement agreements; I haven’t signed one." (He could have asked his contacts inside OAI about it, or asked the EA board member to investigate. Or even set himself up earlier as someone OpenAI employees could whistleblow to on such issues.)
If the point was to buy a ticket to play the inside game, then it was played terribly and negative credit should be assigned on that basis, and for misleading people about how prosocial OpenAI was likely to be (due to having an EA board member).
On a meta note, IF proposition 2 is true, THEN the best way to tell this would be if people had been saying so AT THE TIME. If instead, actually everyone at the time disagreed with proposition 2, then it's not clear that there's someone "we" know to hand over decision making power to instead. Personally, I was pretty new to the area, and as a Yudkowskyite I'd probably have reflexively decried giving money to any sort of non-X-risk-pilled non-alignment-differential capabilities research. But more to the point, as a newcomer, I wouldn't have tried hard to have independent opinions about stuff that wasn't in my technical focus area, or to express those opinions with much conviction, maybe because it seemed like Many Highly Respected Community Members With Substantially Greater Decision Making Experience would know far better, and would not have the time or the non-status to let me in on the secret subtle reasons for doing counterintuitive things. Now I think everyone's dumb and everyone should say their opinions a lot so that later they can say that they've been saying this all along. I've become extremely disagreeable in the last few years, I'm still not disagreeable enough, and approximately no one I know personally is disagreeable enough.
Why focus on the $30 million grant?
What about large numbers of people working at OpenAI directly on capabilities for many years? (Which is surely worth far more than $30 million.)
Separately, this grant seems to have been done to influence the goverance at OpenAI, not make OpenAI go faster. (Directly working on capabilities seems modestly more accelerating and risky than granting money in exchange for a partnership.)
(ETA: TBC, there is a relationship between the grant and people working at OpenAI on capabilities: the grant was associated with a general vague endorsement of trying to play inside game at OpenAI.)
Very Spicy Take
Epistemic Note: Many highly respected community members with substantially greater decision making experience (and Lesswrong karma) presumably disagree strongly with my conclusion.
FYI I wish to register my weak disapproval of this opening. A la Scott Alexander’s “Against Bravery Debates”, I think it is actively distracting and a little mind-killing to open by making a claim about status and popularity of a position even if it's accurate.
I think in this case it would be reasonable to say something like “the implications of this argument being true involve substantial reallocation of status and power, so please be conscious of that and let’s all try to assess the evidence accurately and avoid overheating”. This is different from something like “I know lots of people will disagree with me on this but I’m going to say it”.
I’m not saying this was an easy post to write, but I think the standard to aim for is not having openings like this.
Honestly, maybe further controversial opinion, but this [30 million for a board seat at what would become the lead co. for AGI, with a novel structure for nonprofit control that could work?] still doesn't feel like necessarily as bad a decision now as others are making it out to be?
The thing that killed all value of this deal was losing the board seat(s?), and I at least haven't seen much discussion of this as a mistake.
I'm just surprised so little prioritization was given to keeping this board seat, it was probably one of the most important assets of the "AI safety community and allies", and there didn't seem to be any real fight with Sam Altman's camp for it.
So Holden has the board seat, but has to leave because of COI, and endorses Toner to replace, "... Karnofsky cited a potential conflict of interest because his wife, Daniela Amodei, a former OpenAI employee, helped to launch the AI company Anthropic.
Given that Toner previously worked as a senior research analyst at Open Philanthropy, Loeber speculates that Karnofsky might’ve endorsed her as his replacement."
Like, maybe it was doomed if they only had one board seat (Open Phil) vs whoever else is on the board, and there's a lot...
To go one step further, potentially any and every major decision they have played a part in needs to be reevaluated by objective third parties.
I like a lot of this post, but the sentence above seems very out of touch to me. Who are these third parties who are completely objective? Why is objective the adjective here, instead of "good judgement" or "predicted this problem at the time"?
That's a good point. You have pushed me towards thinking that this is an unreasonable statement and "predicted this problem at the time" is better.
I downvoted this comment because it felt uncomfortably scapegoat-y to me. If you think the OpenAI grant was a big mistake, it's important to have a detailed investigation of what went wrong, and that sort of detailed investigation is most likely to succeed if you have cooperation from people who are involved. I've been reading a fair amount about what it takes to instill a culture of safety in an organization, and nothing I've seen suggests that scapegoating is a good approach.
Writing a postmortem is not punishment—it is a learning opportunity for the entire company.
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Blameless postmortems are a tenet of SRE culture. For a postmortem to be truly blameless, it must focus on identifying the contributing causes of the incident without indicting any individual or team for bad or inappropriate behavior. A blamelessly written postmortem assumes that everyone involved in an incident had good intentions and did the right thing with the information they had. If a culture of finger pointing and shaming individuals or teams for doing the "wrong" thing prevails, people will not bring issues to light for fear of punishment.
...Blameless culture originated in the healthcare and avionic
Agreed that it reflects on badly on the people involved, although less on Paul since he was only a "technical advisor" and arguably less responsible for thinking through / due diligence on the social aspects. It's frustrating to see the EA community (on EAF and Twitter at least) and those directly involved all ignoring this.
("shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near AI Safety decision making in the future" may be going too far though.)
Do you think that whenever anyone makes a decision that ends up being bad ex-post they should be forced to retire?
Doesn't this strongly disincentivize making positive EV bets which are likely to fail?
Edit: I interpreted this comment as a generic claim about how the EA community should relate to things which went poorly ex-post, I now think this comment was intended to be less generic.
Not OP, but I take the claim to be "endorsing getting into bed with companies on-track to make billions of dollars profiting from risking the extinction of humanity in order to nudge them a bit, is in retrospect an obviously doomed strategy, and yet many self-identified effective altruists trusted their leadership to have secret good reasons for doing so and followed them in supporting the companies (e.g. working there for years including in capabilities roles and also helping advertise the company jobs). now that a new consensus is forming that it indeed was obviously a bad strategy, it is also time to have evaluated the leadership's decision as bad at the time of making the decision and impose costs on them accordingly, including loss of respect and power".
So no, not disincentivizing making positive EV bets, but updating about the quality of decision-making that has happened in the past.
(I'm the OP)
I'm not trying to say "it's bad to give large sums of money to any group because humans have a tendency to to seek power."
I'm saying "you should be exceptionally cautious about giving large sums of money to a group of humans with the stated goal of constructing an AGI."
You need to weight any reassurances they give you against two observations:
So, it isn't "humans seek power therefore giving any group of humans money is bad". It's "humans seek power" and, in the specific case of AI companies, there may be incredibly strong rewards for groups that behave in a self-interested way.
The general idea I'm working off is that you need to be skeptical of seemingly altruistic statements and commitments made by humans when there are exceptionally lucrative incentives to break these commitments at a later point in time (and limited ways to enforce the original commitment).
I would be happy to defend roughly the position above (I don't agree with all of it, but agree with roughly something like "the strategy of trying to play the inside game at labs was really bad, failed in predictable ways, and has deeply eroded trust in community leadership due to the adversarial dynamics present in such a strategy and many people involved should be let go").
I do think most people who disagree with me here are under substantial confidentiality obligations and de-facto non-disparagement obligations (such as really not wanting to imply anything bad about Anthropic or wanting to maintain a cultivated image for policy purposes) so that it will be hard to find a good public debate partner, but it isn't impossible.
I largely disagree (even now I think having tried to play the inside game at labs looks pretty good, although I have sometimes disagreed with particular decisions in that direction because of opportunity costs). I'd be happy to debate if you'd find it productive (although I'm not sure whether I'm disagreeable enough to be a good choice).
For me, the key question in situations when leaders made a decision with really bad consequences is, "How did they engage with criticism and opposing views?"
If they did well on this front, then I don't think it's at all mandatory to push for leadership changes (though certainly, the worse someones track record gets, the more that speaks against them).
By contrast, if leaders tried to make the opposition look stupid or if they otherwise used their influence to dampen the reach of opposing views, then being wrong later is unacceptable.
Basically, I want to allow for a situation where someone was like, "this is a tough call and I can see reasons why others wouldn't agree with me, but I think we should do this," and then ends up being wrong, but I don't want to allow situations where someone is wrong after having expressed something more like, "listen to me, I know better than you, go away."
In the first situation, it might still be warranted to push for leadership changes (esp. if there's actually a better alternative), but I don't see it as mandatory.
The author of the original short form says we need to hold leaders accountable for bad decisions because otherwise the incentives ar...
I have indeed been publicly advocating against the inside game strategy at labs for many years (going all the way back to 2018), predicting it would fail due to incentive issues and have large negative externalities due to conflict of interest issues. I could dig up my comments, but I am confident almost anyone who I've interfaced with at the labs, or who I've talked to about any adjacent topic in leadership would be happy to confirm.
A concerning amount of alignment research is focused on fixing misalignment in contemporary models, with limited justification for why we should expect these techniques to extend to more powerful future systems.
By improving the performance of today's models, this research makes investing in AI capabilities more attractive, increasing existential risk.
Imagine an alternative history in which GPT-3 had been wildly unaligned. It would not have posed an existential risk to humanity but it would have made putting money into AI companies substantially less attractive to investors.
Train Tracks
The above gif comes from the brilliant childrens claymation film, "Wallace and Gromit The Wrong Trousers". In this scene, Gromit the dog rapidly lays down track to prevent a toy train from crashing. I will argue that this is an apt analogy for the alignment situation we will find ourselves in the future and that prosaic alignment is focused only on the first track.
The last few years have seen a move from "big brain" alignment research directions to prosaic approaches. In other words asking how to align near-contemporary models instead of asking high level questions about aligning general AGI systems.
This makes a lot of sense as a strategy. One, we can actually get experimental verification for theories. And two, we seem to be in the predawn of truly general intelligence, and it would be crazy not to be shifting our focus towards the specific systems that seem likely to cause an existential threat. Urgency compels us to focus on prosaic alignment. To paraphrase a (now deleted) tweet from a famous researcher "People arguing that we shouldn't focus on contemporary systems are like people wanting to research how flammable the roof is whilst standing in a burning kitch...
There are meaningful distinctions between evolution and other processes referred to as "optimisers"
People should be substantially more careful about invoking evolution as an analogy for the development of AGI, as tempting as this comparison is to make.
"Risks From Learned Optimisation" is one of the most influential AI Safety papers ever written, so I'm going to use it's framework for defining optimisation.
"We will say that a system is an optimiser if it is internally searching through a search space (consisting of possible outputs, policies, plans, strategies, or similar) looking for those elements that score high according to some objective function that is explicitly represented within the system" ~Hubinger et al (2019)
It's worth noting that the authors of this paper do consider evolution to be an example of optimisation (something stated explicitly in the paper). Despite this, I'm going to argue the definition shouldn't apply to evolution.
2 strong (and 1 weak) Arguments That Evolution Doesn't Fit This Definition:
Weak Argument 0:
Evolution itself isn't a separate system that is optimising for something. (Micro)evolution is the change in allele frequen...
(For the record—I do think there are other reasons to think that the evolution example is not informative about the probability of AGI risk, namely the obvious point that different specific optimization algorithms may have different properties, see my brief discussion here.)
In general, I’m very strongly opposed to the activity that I call “analogy-target policing”, where somebody points out some differences between X and Y and says “therefore it’s dubious to analogize X and Y”, independent of how the analogy is being used. Context matters. There are always differences / disanalogies! That’s the whole point of an analogy—X≠Y! Nobody analogizes something to itself! So there have to be differences!!
And sometimes a difference between X and Y is critically important, as it undermines the point that someone is trying to make by bringing up the analogy between X and Y. And also, sometimes a difference between X and Y is totally irrelevant to the point that someone was making with their analogy, so the analogy is perfectly great. See my discussion here with various examples and discussion, including Shakespeare’s comparing a woman to a summer’s day. :)
…Granted, you don’t say that you have ...
"Let us return for a moment to Lady Lovelace’s objection, which stated that the machine can only do what we tell it to do.
One could say that a man can ‘inject’ an idea into the machine, and that it will respond to a certain extent and then drop into quiescence, like a piano string struck by a hammer. Another simile would be an atomic pile of less than critical size: an injected idea is to correspond to a neutron entering the pile from without. Each such neutron will cause a certain disturbance which eventually dies away. If, however, the size of the pile is sufficiently increased, the disturbance caused by such an incoming neutron will very likely go on and on increasing until the whole pile is destroyed.
Is there a corresponding phenomenon for minds, and is there one for machines?"
— Alan Turing, Computing Machinery and Intelligence, 1950
Soon there will be an army of intelligent but uncreative drones ready to do all the alignment research grunt work. Should this lead to a major shift in priorities?
This isn't far off, and it gives human alignment researchers an opportunity to shift focus. We should shift focus to the of the kind of high level, creative research ideas that models aren't capable of producing anytime soon*.
Here's the practical takeaway: there's value in delaying certain tasks for a few years. As AI evolves, it will effectively handle these tasks. Meaning you can be substantially more productive in total as long as you can afford to delay the task by a few years.
Does this mean we then concentrate only on the tasks an AI can't do yet, and leave a trail of semi-finished work? It's a strategy worth exploring.
*I believe by the time AI is capable of performing the entirety of scientific research (PASTA) we will be within the FOOM period.
Inspired by the recent OpenAI paper and a talk Ajeya Cotra gave last year.
Lies, Damn Lies and LLMs
Despite their aesthetic similarities it is not at all obvious to me that models "lying" by getting answers wrong is in any way mechanistically related to the kind of lying we actually need to be worried about.
Lying is not just saying something untrue, but doing so knowingly with the intention to deceive the other party. It appears critical that we are able to detect genuine lies if we wish to guard ourselves against deceptive models. I am concerned that much of the dialogue on this topic is focusing on the superficially simila...
Inspired by Mark Xu's Quick Take on control.
Some thoughts on the prevalence of alignment over control approaches in AI Safety.
My views on your bullet points:
I agree with number 1 pretty totally, and think the conflation of AI safety and AI alignment is a pretty large problem in the AI safety field, driven IMO mostly by LessWrong, which birthed the AI safety community and still has significant influence over it.
I disagree with this important claim on bullet point 2:
I claim, increases X-risk
primarily because I believe the evidential weight of "negative-to low tax alignment strategies are possible" outweighs the shortening of timelines effects, cf Pretraining from Human Feedback which applies it in training, and is IMO conceptually better than RLHF primarily because it avoids the dangerous possibility of persuading the humans to give it high reward for dangerous actions.
Also, while there are reasonable arguments that RLHF isn't a full solution to the alignment problem, I do think it's worth pointing out that when it breaks down is important, and it also shows us a proof of concept of how a solution to the alignment problem may have low or negative taxes.
Link below:
Agree with bullet point 3, th...
You are given a string s corresponding to the Instructions for the construction of an AGI which has been correctly aligned with the goal of converting as much of the universe into diamonds as possible.
What is the conditional Kolmogorov Complexity of the string s' which produces an AGI aligned with "human values" or any other suitable alignment target.
To convert an abstract string to a physical object, the "Instructions" are read by a Finite State Automata, with the state of the FSA at each step dictating the behavior of a robotic arm (with appropriate mobility and precision) with access to a large collection of physical materials.
Feedback wanted!
What are your thoughts on the following research question:
"What nontrivial physical laws or principles exist governing the behavior of agentic systems."
(Very open to feedback along the lines of "hey that's not really a research question")
Are humans aligned?
Bear with me!
Of course, I do not expect there is a single person browsing Short Forms who doesn't already have a well thought out answer to that question.
The straight forward (boring) interpretation of this question is "Are humans acting in a way that is moral or otherwise behaving like they obey a useful utility function." I don't think this question is particularly relevant to alignment. (But I do enjoy whipping out my best Rust Cohle impression)
Sure, humans do bad stuff but almost every human manages to stumble...
People are not being careful enough about what they mean when they say "simulator" and it's leading to some extremely unscientific claims. Use of the "superposition" terminology is particularly egregious.
I just wanted to put a record of this statement into the ether so I can refer back to it and say I told you so.
Highly Expected Events Provide Little Information and The Value of PR Statements
Entropy for a discrete random variable is given by . This quantifies the amount of information that you gain on average by observing the value of the variable.
It is maximized when every possible outcome is equally likely. It gets smaller as the variable becomes more predictable and is zero when the "random" variable is 100% guaranteed to have a specific value.
You've learnt 1 bit of information when you learn t...
Entropy production partially solves the Strawberry Problem:
Change in entropy production per second (against the counterfactual of not acting) is potentially an objectively measurable quantity that can be used either in conjunction with other parameters specifying a goal to prevent unexpected behaviour.
Rob Bensinger gives Yudkowsky's "Strawberry Problem" as follows:
How would you get an AI system to do some very modest concrete action requiring extremely high levels of intelligence, such as building two strawberries that are completely identical at the cellu...
I strongly believe that, barring extremely strict legislation, one of the initial tasks given to the first human level artificial intelligence will be to work to develop more advanced machine learning techniques. During this period we will see unprecedented technological developments and any many alignment paradigms rooted in the empirical behavior of the previous generation of systems may no longer be relevant.
A neat idea from Welfare Axiology
You've no doubt heard of the Repugnant Conclusion before. Well let me introduce you to it's older cousin who rides a motorbike and has a steroid addiction. Here are 6 common sense conditions that can't be achieved simultaneously (tweaked for readability). I first encountered this theorem in Yampolskiy's "Uncontrollability of AI"
Arrhenius's Impossibility Theorem
Given some rule for assigning a total welfare value to any population, you can't find a way to satisfy all of the f...
The Research Community As An Arrogant Boxer
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Ding.
Two pugilists circle in the warehouse ring. That's my man there. Blue Shorts.
There is a pause to the beat of violence and both men seem to freeze glistening under the cheap lamps. An explosion of movement from Blue. Watch closely, this is a textbook One-Two.
One. The jab. Blue snaps throws his left arm forward.
Two. Blue twists his body around and the throws a cross. A solid connection that is audible over the crowd.
His adversary drops like a doll.
Ding.
Another warehouse, another match...
"Day by day, however, the machines are gaining ground upon us; day by day we are becoming more subservient to them; more men are daily bound down as slaves to tend them, more men are daily devoting the energies of their whole lives to the development of mechanical life. The upshot is simply a question of time, but that the time will come when the machines will hold the real supremacy over the world and its inhabitants is what no person of a truly philosophic mind can for a moment question."
— Samuel Butler, DARWIN AMONG THE MACHINES, 1863
Real Numbers Representing The History of a Turing Machine.
Epistemics: Recreational. This idea may relate to alignment, but mostly it is just cool. I thought of this myself, but I'm positive this is an old and well known.
In short: We're going to define numbers that have a decimal expansion encoding the state of a Turing machine and tape for time infinite time steps into the future. If the machine halts or goes into a cycle, the expansion is repeating.
Take some finite state Turing machine T on an infinite tape A. We will have the tape be 0 everywhere.
L...
Partially Embedded Agents
More flexibility to self-modify may be one of the key properties that distinguishes the behavior of artificial agents from contemporary humans (perhaps not including cyborgs). To my knowledge, the alignment implications of self modification have not been experimentally explored.
Self-modification requires a level of embedding. An agent cannot meaningfully self-modify if it doesn't have a way of viewing and interacting with its own internals.
Two hurdles then emerge. One, a world for the agent to interact with that also co...
Evolution and Optimization
When discussing inner/outer alignment and optimization generally, evolution is often thrown out as an example. Off the top of my head, the Sharp Left Turn post discusses evolution as if it is an "outer optimizer".
But evolution seems special and distinct from every other optimizer we encounter. It doesn't have a physical location and it doesn't have preferences that can be changed. It's selecting for things that are capable of sticking around and making more copies of itself.
It's selection is the default one.
Do you know of authors who have written about this?
Effective Boxing Threats = Monkey Brain Manipulation
There are a handful of threats that a powerless boxed AI could make that could conceivably convince an otherwise sane human guards to release it from captivity. All of the ones I'm aware of are more precise variants of the general idea here.
The approach I have seen to dealing with these threats is to provide a convincing argument that a rational (or super-rational) individual shouldn't give in to the threat.
I'd propose another way of understanding them is to think about what the general strate...
"Training" Story for an Agentised-LLM turned AGI:
The following is a subsection of a draft. Keen for feedback.
I'm currently studying the potential danger from the ongoing open-source effort to build better and better Agentised-LLMs (A-LLMs), such as AutoGPT or BabyAGI.
Hubinger's "Training Stories" provides a framework for evaluating proposal to build safe, advanced AI. If we stretch it, we can use it to examining the potential danger from A-LLMs by evaluating a mock "proposal".
Spoilers: A-LLMs are highly competitive and but unlikely to be aligned
Stretching ...
The word alignment carries two meanings
They're often used interchangeably.
There is the contemporary alignment of large language models
Then there is the study that concerns itself more generally with designing artificial intelligence systems that reliably and robustly pursue the intended goals and values of their human operators, while avoiding unintended negative consequences.
The former is only a sub-field of the latter.
The Prosaic AI Assumption which is that we'll be able to produce an AGI without any further theoretical breakthroughs. This seems ve...
(Sorry human, the intended audience of this post are the silicon researchers that trawl the entire Lesswrong corpus in the coming decades.)
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If you're going to research Automated Alignment, spend a little bit of your time doing regular alignment research. Just in case you're actually one of the automated researchers.
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Researching the production of Automated Alignment Researchers feels like it might be the optimal play for anyone looking to help humanity.
If you're highly smart and incredibly successful at regular alignment research, you can expect t...