I feel like this post doesn’t even engage with the idea that you can try to figure things out that are BOTH importantly helpful for superintelligence safety / alignment AND unhelpful for building superintelligence sooner, and then publish those things, as discussed in this Charlie Steiner post for example.
Yes, doing this well is hard. I can go on and on about common pitfalls I’ve seen. But I feel like this post sets itself up to discuss this topic but then just doesn’t, instead seemingly taking it for granted that no such research directions could possibly exist.
I do think that proper "AI safety research" exists. For truly ambitious research, however, it's hard to know ex-ante what that research will cash out in; that's what makes it ambitious.
If you design your research with safety/predictability in mind, it will be significantly less insightful than it otherwise would. There's a trade-off.
There's at least two approaches you can take to the trade-off. One is to only conduct 'safe' research, as you suggest. The other is to conduct ambitious research discretely, as I suggest. Both are a form of self-censorship that should be unnatural to a good researcher. I agree that my post doesn't explore what doing good "AI safety research" is. The reason I didn't explore it much is that I find it hard to get excited about research that tries to limit its own scope (which is a necessary condition for being 'safe').
Maybe it’s just that your post was confusing to me?
For example, one thing I would say is: “Sometimes you’re playing with early-stage ideas, and it’s unclear whether the ideas will ultimately be helpful for ASI safety or ASI capabilities or both or neither. If so, it’s often wise to keep those ideas secret until you have a better understanding of the lay of the land, and the answer is more clear. And THEN you can decide to publish those ideas, or alternatively decide to bury them.”
If that’s one of the things you were trying to say, then it didn’t come across to me in your text.
Like, your discussion of secrecy seems to imply that the idea is to keep all the work secret perpetually. It doesn’t mention selectively publishing things eventually, when it’s clear that those things are safety-promoting.
Likewise, your list of things to “make peace with” doesn’t include the possibility that your work is something that ASI capabilities researchers will have to figure out sooner or later on the way to ASI capabilities, regardless, so the right thing to do is bury it and find something else to do instead, because someone else will have to figure it out before ASI anyway. Instead you seem to imply that the only bad possibilities to worry about are that your research plan is technically unsound or proceeds too slowly.
See what I mean?
For example, one thing I would say is: “Sometimes you’re playing with early-stage ideas, and it’s unclear whether the ideas will ultimately be helpful for ASI safety or ASI capabilities or both or neither. If so, it’s often wise to keep those ideas secret until you have a better understanding of the lay of the land, and the answer is more clear. And THEN you can decide to publish those ideas, or alternatively decide to bury them.
This is indeed roughly what I mean, sorry that it didn't come across. The reason I emphasised secrecy so much is that, in my experience, the overwhelming volume of my research involves having early-stage ideas with unknown consequences. Indeed, confusing pre-paradigmatic thinking should be the bulk of ambitious alignment work. So the conditions that allow you to distribute your ideas unfiltered is rarely met.
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Likewise, your list of things to “make peace with” doesn’t include the possibility that your work is something that ASI capabilities researchers will have to figure out sooner or later on the way to ASI capabilities, regardless, so the right thing to do is bury it and find something else to do instead, because someone else will have to figure it out before ASI anyway. Instead you seem to imply that the only bad possibilities to worry about are that your research plan is technically unsound or proceeds too slowly.
This is an interesting point that I hadn't thought about. My rationalised reaction is:
If you figure something out that's both relevant for ASI and for alignment before anyone else does, you get to figure out its consequences for alignment while no-one else has the chance to figure out its consequences for making an ASI.
but I present it with only a weak endorsement.
Perhaps, although tbh your agenda feels unusually capabilities adjacent.to me.
Example: MIRI and Recursive Self-Improvement
This section seems kinda weird to me. It seems plausible that Yudkowsky / MIRI got us to where we are today (e.g. GPT-6) sooner than otherwise, although the reverse also seems plausible for all I know. E.g. AlexNet had nothing to do with Yudkowsky, and I don’t think ULMFiT did either, and that led straight into LLMs, right? Maybe without Dario it would have taken another year or two? Whatever, I don’t really know either way, I’m not an expert on that.
But insofar as Yudkowsky / MIRI brought GPT-6 sooner, that seems almost entirely unrelated to the technical safety / alignment research that they did, but rather related to spreading the idea that ASI is a really really big deal, and dangerous, perhaps also the DeepMind Thiel intro. I really don’t think functional decision theory or probabilistic logic etc. had anything to do with today’s AI race.
(I acknowledge that there are also places, especially early on, where “spreading the idea that ASI is a really really big deal, and dangerous” overlapped with “technical ASI alignment / safety research”. E.g. things like IEM and Bostrom’s Superintelligence are a mix of both. But I still think they can be pulled apart pretty well. Like, if Eliezer had wanted to spread the idea of ASI less far, he easily could have written dry technical papers that would have been widely ignored except by other people in the still-infinitesimally-small field. He chose not to do that. I.e., he was making two separate decisions, one to do technical alignment research, and another to do field outreach. The latter was what led to unintended acceleration of capabilities, not the former, right? I don’t see any bad side effects of the former, and while it turned out that the research did not lead to a solution to the technical alignment problem, I still think it produced some good resources and “deconfusion”, e.g. I read and cite Yudkowsky’s Arbital articles regularly.)
As I mention in my post, one way to keep your research from being co-opted is to avoid performing the service of translation for adjacent fields (or for interested outsiders/investors/interest groups).
I agree that their dry technical papers on FDT and other topics aren't what had a huge impact on AI progress—the choice to export those ideas legibly to untrustworthy people did most of the work there. But translating across research fields, pooling or summarising ideas, etc... is a fundamental part of research culture. More people working on a thing will lead to increased progress (in some ex-ante unspecifiable direction). MIRI's ideas have gotten further than they would have if MIRI hadn't spread them so actively. So they are good 'researchers' but bad 'safety researchers,' which is why I picked them as an example.
I think you’re missing my point. AFAIK there is no harm whatsoever in spreading the message of FDT or logical probability far and wide, and never has been. Yudkowsky could have taught these esoteric technical philosophy concepts to every last person on Earth, via extremely clear and viral explainer videos, and it wouldn’t have mattered at all to the ASI race. Then 8 billion people would know some random facts about technical philosophy, but none of them would have been spurred to found AI companies. The thing that (at least somewhat) mattered to the ASI race was spreading the message about how ASI could happen soon and what it big deal ASI would be. That’s a different message. The first is some technical content, the second is explaining why we should urgently care about that technical content. Right?
I agree that it’s common for researchers to not only communicate their findings but also to communicate why people should care about their findings. But it’s not necessary. A person can just publish papers like this one that they think are important for superintelligence safety without spelling out why superintelligence safety is an important cause area. Eliezer could have done that too.
(Obviously this is academic; at this point, the horse has long ago left the barn and there is no longer any reason whatsoever not to tell people that ASI risk is an important cause area. And also I still think Eliezer made a good decision on balance to spread the message back in the day that ASI risk is an important cause area, if you weigh the costs vs benefits of that outreach.)
I think you’re missing my point. AFAIK there is no harm whatsoever in spreading the message of FDT or logical probability far and wide, and never has been. ...
I think we actually agree? I firstly claim that FDT etc... was MIRI's preferred approach to thinking about RSI. Next, I agree that even if their dry academic content is about RSI, spreading the content of their work as abstract mathematics or philosophy isn't an info-hazard. So long as there's no service of translation.
I think we furthermore agree that the actions that woke the tech world up to intelligent AI was Eliezer's (and others') performing that service of translation for them (i.e. communicating why their abstract philosophical musings are actually about imminent, urgent intelligence explosions etc...).
The part where we might diverge is that I classify communication as a fundamental part of research. And it is mostly MIRI's work in translating and popularising their ideas to untrustworthy people that I am criticising—not the purely academic work itself (which I personally admire). So maybe we got caught up over a terminological difference and/or over me not being clear in my post?
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(Obviously this is academic; at this point, the horse has long ago left the barn and there is no longer any reason whatsoever not to tell people that ASI risk is an important cause area.
I'm... not sure about this. I know I rescinded my right to comment on AI policy in my post. But the reason for my reservation (as opposed to endorsement of Stop AI or other such initiatives) is that it's not obvious to me that kicking up a fuss over ASI is a good idea—even now. It might be? I'm not sure.
Focusing on one part that mentions me:
Jan Leike—who later joined all of GDM, OAI (where he led the development of InstructGPT), and Anthropic in sequence—co-authored work on the “Grain of Truth” problem with MIRI research fellows Jessica Taylor and Benya Fallenstein. Leike was at the Future of Humanity Institute (FHI) at the time.
I am not really sure what point you are supporting with this. "Cross-pollination of ideas" - yes of course, many people working at labs read MIRI or LessWrong stuff, the "Grain of Truth" paper is an example though not a popular one. Later you mention MIRI influencing labs to believe that superintelligence and RSI are feasible; that's plausible, but the grain of truth paper has ~nothing to do with that. Instead, the AI FOOM debate, and "Intelligence Explosion Microeconomics", are far more plausible instances where MIRI influenced labs on feasibility of RSI.
I think your (@jessicata) point doesn't fully address the point of my example (which I admit is not well explained, so this is on me).
The 'grain of truth' is only tangentially related to RSI, but collaborators don't just talk about the narrow thing they are nominally collaborating on. They tend to cross-pollinate on ~all research ideas within a generous radius of the locus of collaboration. Those ideas spread by osmosis and can end up becoming a huge deal wherever they permeate.
I see papers as legible receipts of collaboration, which is why I thought this is a reasonable example to include. On reflection, I agree that the publicly available parts of the FOOM debate are (more relevant) legible receipts. I should have used those instead.
Ok, I see your point better. In this particular case most of what happened was that Jan Leike proposed the idea based on having read the Reflective Oracles paper and seen a connection to more standard academic game theory, and he did most of the work on the paper.
My main point here is that if your reason for bringing it up is really to claim causality with respect to "labs convinced of RSI feasibility", this is a very bad example. The thing to notice here is that there has been a big debate, both online and offline, involving MIRI people, EA / OPP people, and AI lab people, about RSI feasibility / takeoff speeds / timelines, and people have been trying to persuade each other (and onlookers) of their ideas. That sure seems like the main factor to focus on. (It seems if MIRI had never argued that fast takeoff / RSI was likely, then more AI people would have defaulted to a slower takeoff, Paul Christiano or OPP-cluster view.)
Because of this, there isn't much reason to focus on vaguely conspiratorial "collaboration" hypotheses, when there is a much bigger and more legible phenomenon at play.
Why isn’t “the right thing” advocating an international agreement to prohibit ASI development?
For years I had a blindspot in my thinking. I would put to the side policy and advocacy work as "in another category" because I’m just obviously a technical person![1] (Even when I've felt super pessimistic about my ability to meaningfully contribute to addressing the extinction threat.)
Now I've started to prioritize advocacy, with a technical AI safety background. I got lucky because, thanks to Coxon, AI extinction became mainstream shortly after I started. Even so, I've been very surprised to have become the biggest anti-extinction expert voice in Finland as a young person,[2] because a) I have a title at an AI safety org that signals my expertise, b) academics disagree with extinction, and c) other genuinely concerned experts don't seem to speak up.
So far, most notably, I…
I expect to continue to be the best-known Finnish expert who pushes for a prohibition on superintelligence development.
- your ambitious research might lead to a dead end;
- your agenda may take beyond your lifetime to bear fruit;
- your work may not come 'in time' to solve alignment;
—and do the right thing anyway.
I've had a surprising amount of power in speaking out as someone in AI safety research, and I suspect others are likely underestimating how much they could do to address the extinction threat outside of research. For me, I didn’t even seriously think about it. If your ambitious research is likely to take decades-to-centuries, speaking out / doing advocacy is a much better way to have impact. (If you previously considered it and decided against it, now’s a good time to reconsider post-Coxon.)
Graduated undergrad in math and computer science at 18 because math was the easiest subject. I’m super autistic and have basically never been friends with someone who was not selected to be quite good at math.
They didn't know I'm really young. They literally contacted me just because I'm an expert with a title in an AI safety org and I disagree with the academics and take extinction the most seriously. (They found out about me through my prestigious op-ed.) But now I'm going to be profiled and my background will come out more.
This should be a post
Thank you! This is a post now: Technical people: actually consider comms
However, the promise of interpretability soon decayed. One major mistake was focusing on Machine Learning (ML) methods.
Thanks for the post!
In my opinion this deserves a nuance that vindicates SAEs and probes from this critique. A good explanation of LLM behaviour needs to tell us what the right ontology is, and then use that ontology to tell us how LLMs work. The sparse linear feature assumption is such an ontology - it posits a model of 'what's going on', tells us what to look for.
For any description of LLM cognition, even once you know all of the unifying principles, such an account was always going to have to enumerate and describe the presumably large number of distinct processes a mind must carry out. I think that training an ML model, especially ones as 'computationally restricted' as SAEs or probes, can still bring us to meaningful understanding of what's going on. In the plausible world where the linear/sparse feature hypothesis was a complete account of LLM cognition, SAEs would have been the solution to interpretability, and 'scaling monosemanticity' a centurial triumph of science.
This to say that I think your "too simple to be expressive / too complex to be interpretable" dichotomy only holds in an ontology where you think of neural intelligences as being mockups of some fundamentally simple GOFAI algorithms - I think it is plausible instead that there are unifying principles to intelligence alongside irreducible enumerative complexity.
I do agree that NLAs and the turn towards 'pragmatic interpretability' mark a significant discontinuity in the scientific orientation of the field - but I think SAEs++ are prior to this break, and were valiant attempts to come to Deep Understanding.
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I'd also offer a steelmanning of the bitter lesson which I believe: the bitter lesson can be understood as a hypothesis about the nature of intelligence based on statistical learning - the hypothesis that neural intelligences are not well thought of as a handful of shoddily-implemented GOFAI algorithms, and instead are more like biological cells - united by some unifying understandable principles, but also irreducibly complex in detail, because the tasks they solve are irreducibly complex in detail.
If this is a true fact about the world, the goal of the field should not be decompiling minds into those allegedly-nonexistent algorithms, but instead on understanding these putative unifying principles on top of which complexity is built.
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This said, I agree with your assessment that the field's turn to pragmatism came more from a sense of short-timelines-urgency than a consensus that ambitious interpretability was insoluble-in-principle - perhaps 80%-20%. Whether this turn was prudent, conditioning on short-timelines, depends on delicate balances of consequence for which I've too imprecise a model - no opinion.
Given the call for secrecy, it'd be instructive to look for examples where a group actually achieved their desired ends by keeping technical facts secret until an adequate solution could be constructed for the problem that the facts pointed to.
As I see it, both of the following should be relatively rare:
Unfortunately, the primary example that comes to mind for the latter is the construction of the atomic bomb, which isn't very inspiring for various reasons. Another is the Soviet bioweapons program. Maybe I'm not very creative.
I'm not the target of this post, but my concern when reading this kind of self-flagellating analysis is that it could have a net negative effect on gifted people who want to do alignment research, and therefore on our odds of survival. If, by some miracle, every country and lab in the world were to effectively ban and halt all capabilities research, we would still need alignment research in the end, because the miracle could not last forever. And if, miracles being scarce, some countries or labs refuse the ban/pause or fail to respect it, capabilities will keep improving anyway, likely leading to ASI, and our only remaining hope would lie in alignment research. So while it may be true that part of safety research transfers to capabilities, we still desperately need this work to be done. Otherwise, I don't see where our remaining hope would lie. Thus, while I understand that the OP isn't opposed to alignement research in general, I fear that the net effect (on the communication level) of this kind of critic could still end up to be negative to alignement research in general.
Also, we lack a counterfactual history to weigh the causal role of MIRI and other early alignment researchers, but it seems likely to me that the chain word embeddings > transformers > RL over LLMs would still broadly have unfolded through capabilities research alone. The timing might have differed, given less initial enthusiasm, but the hype and the scaling would have followed the first revolutionary success anyway. Imagine a ChatGPT moment 8 years later, in 2030. The initial available hardware would have been better than what we had in 2022, so the next steps would have come even faster than they did in our world. We would reach roughly where we are now around 2032 or 2033, but with much less done on the alignment side.
The issue with this approach should have been obvious[2]: to the extent that AIs are uninterpretable, it's because they have been trained through implicit ML methods. We do not understand the resulting intelligent algorithms and could not have hard-coded them. Once you train yet another neural network to interpret that intelligence, it almost certainly slots in one of two categories:
- The network is simple enough to be human-interpretable, but doesn't capture robust, meaningful, or generalisable patterns.
- The network is complex enough to capture complex patterns. It is thus itself uninterpretable.
I actually agree with all of the premises here (I like the observation that we could not have written the algorithms ourselves) but do not agree that the conclusion necessarily follows.
It may be the case that such methods achieve interpretability by an opaque means. For example, supposing an NLA had perfect performance at its stated objective, it definitely would improve out understanding of the internals of the target model.
Now, in practice arguments for how to achieve such a thing invariably involve some form of magic OOD generalization, and have some sort of ontological problems besides when you think about how they might scale. But still, it's conceivable that there is some inscrutable based thing that increases our understanding of a target network.
More generally, interpretability exists on a sort of spectrum, and undoubtedly things such as linear probes do in fact reflect some kind of structure in the latent computations of neural networks. I think that implicitly most contemporary MI and prosaic alignment researchers believe that such a thing can be made to "scale" by some sort of outer-loop hill-climbing on methods and insight.
Where I personally get off the train is that I'm very pessimistic about the methods' ability to scale to important cases, and I think there's a general focus on the wrong things in this setting (it's in fact quite interesting that something like a linear probe works at all, so maybe we should think about that fact instead of trying to force it to work arbitrarily well when it definitely can't).
Indeed, that sense of urgency felt by many technical researchers is precisely what can lead to bad outcomes. Suppose that, given the perceived gravity and momentousness of the situation, you aim to gain power and influence as quickly as possible within the AI world. This won't be done by taking a hard, measured look at the alignment problem; all the big things are happening in or around the labs—and they're happening quickly! Following this realisation, many end up joining the existing power hierarchy in hopes of contributing towards incremental positive change within it.
I won't mince words here. Such reasoning is analogous to a snowflake watching a massive, deadly snowball rolling down a hill, and deciding to join the snowball on the grounds of making it slower and less deadly 'on the margin.' It is not only wrong, it is suggestive that what attracted that snowflake to the pile was the bigness—the urgency—the gravitas—of the deadly snowball. Joining usually leads to becoming an impotent appendage of the snowball, or worse, actively contributing to its journey.
This argument seems to be a fully general one against the strategy of seeking impact in highly political systems. Surely there are counterexamples to this in human history, though? It may be the case that they're extremely rare, or it may even be the case that they've become increasingly rare alongside the interconnectedness of the world, progress in technology, and general acceleration and scaling of human affairs. (If that's the case we're pretty much screwed on several more levels, though.)
But to the extent that that's not true it would be instructive to consider the counterexamples and try to derive some general principles from it.
Like many others I read the Caro biography of LBJ last year, and it strikes me that in one view, he pursued a giga-brained multi-decade consequentialist campaign to push progress in civil rights, and it actually worked, implying that such things can actually work. I'm not sure if there are any significant examples of scientists doing the same. Maybe Kolmogorov or Heisenberg, though tellingly the truth of the matter surrounding both cases are heavily disputed.
(The LBJ case also has at least three points of nuance:
1. He achieved a lot of what he achieved by being pathologically domineering, power-seeking, and generally not a good person locally, and it's very doubtful that he had specific good consequentialist ends in mind all the time while he was pursuing his goals, and undoubtedly there was a massive amount of ego involved in the pursuit.
2. Many would argue that the destructive effects he had on the political commons by so ruthlessly optimizing for his goals outweighed the positive impacts of his decisions, on a backward-looking analysis.
3. Vietnam)
Doing work with "good infosec" usually involves less feedback on the research direction, which is terrible for productivity and relevance in a field as confused as AI safety. If you can't find a net positive technical direction, why not just do something with primarily policy impact instead?
terrible for productivity and relevance
(Explaining my react.) I agree denotationally: the cost is real, and big, and people often under-weight it. I disagree with the connotation that it couldn’t possibly be the right decision despite that cost. It might or might not be, at least in principle. (This probably isn’t worth arguing about in the abstract; different situations are different.)
The original post has a section dedicated to why I reject the frame of 'impact' for decision-making in AI safety. As it stands, I see your comment as talking past my points because it relies on that pre-rejected frame.
I would significantly prefer a comment that either:
Indeed, our task is closer to inventing a new paradigm.
I suppose this is a crux. I happen to agree with it in an important sense, but I think that a lot of people actually think that alignment is easy, or that an easy "phase" of the AI safety problem is urgent (this I find much more agreeable), which then re-justifies a rushed mode of thinking.
If you are working on AI safety, how could work that you keep secret from frontier AI labs be beneficial to society, considering that the secret work will not affect frontier AI development?
I see why one might keep work secret at first, then abandon the work if it starts to feel like the end result will be more harmful than beneficial. But this does not seem to be what you are arguing for.
You may be imagining types of technical AI safety work that I have not considered, and that can be effective even though they are secret or heavily obscured. Besides work for a national government, what kind of work could that be?
Thanks for your post! I really appreciated it, especially your recommendations to avoid employment by frontier AI labs and your suspicions about seeking, "roles where you can have the most impact."
To summarise:
- To the extent that your AI safety research is safe, it's less likely to be research.
- To the extent that your AI safety research is research, it's less likely to be safe.
Suppose we were at the dawn of recursive self-improvement.
Going forward, would individual safety researchers be likely to accidentally make contributions to capabilities, that significantly alter the pace of capabilities advancement relative to what recursively self-improving AI will do on its own?
What about the same question for recursive self-alignment?
I think there is an important difference between the two questions. Recursively self-improving AI might scheme to undermine our intentions, or choose not to solve problems that make us able to shape or control it in ways it doesn't prefer.
If so, then capabilities may soon advance at an inhumane pace, no matter safety researchers do, but safety research may end up partially subsumed by very fast AI agents who we can't fully trust, while relatively slow human researchers who we can trust desperately try to solve key problems against odds before its too late.
This concern and the sense of urgency right now make me think differently about the problem, although I don't have a definitive general opinion sorted out . Each case I think requires its own considerations. The optimal balance might start changing quickly over time.
SWE turned into prompt engineering about when Opus 4.6 was released. Mathematics is going the same way. The emerging pattern seems to be 'if it can be represented symbolically, an LLM can do it better than you'.
Mech interp seems like the only real part of STEM left to me. As a human who is curious about the universe, the only remaining object for that curiosity is trying to understand the AI that understand it better than me.
I feel the same about mech interp. It feels like the only 'great' problem left in STEM. Everything else is intellectually fun but about as significant as building a mud hut when skyscrapers already exist. The only area that's not marked for skyscraper construction yet is mech interp.
I only specifically said STEM because there's no empirically correct definition of good literature, but were one to exist, I'd concede writing literature to LLMs.
tldr; if it can be represented by statements composed of symbols and those statements can have a loss function applied to them, a sufficiently good symbol predictor can do it better than you. in many areas, sufficiently good symbol predictors exist today
Joining a frontier AI lab: your research ideas will permeate into the lab's culture. This is à priori bad, and will happen even if you personally maintain high epistemic sanity while working there.
Suppose that your research ideas permeating into the lab's culture makes it more sane and less acceleratory? I've heard Anthropic has a "misalignment science" team. What if all the work you do is just to show that the current paradigm is thoroughly inadequate?
(Of course I know this is far from the default outcome at labs, not least because the local incentives are for you to paper things over, suggest a "solution" alongside the problem, etc.)
The problem with neutral information about LLMs is that for every safety researcher trying to use it for alignment, there may be 4 more capability researchers trying to squeeze more capabilities out of it. That is, I would expect capabilities side of humanity to be collectively smarter than alignment part due to sheer scale and funding.
I'm still working out reasonable approaches to this conundrum,
It seems very likely that the world simply isn't fair in the way you want, and there is no way to advance safety more than capabilities via technical research. If that is true, what would you do?
Would having the research be done in secret make you more susceptible to the optimizer's curse? That is, suppose you have people doing research in their silos; then the one who makes incredible capabilities discoveries, then mistakenly assesses them as incredible safety capabilities, decides to publish them or found a company on them?
At the very least, there'd be a different shape to how it works compared to how it works today, I suppose.
Also I notice, isn't Safe Superintelligence doing exactly the thing you're describing, researching in secret?
Perhaps it was due to the sense of responsibility and uncertainty its researchers felt towards the impact of their work. Maybe it happened because the field was subsumed by ML academia—a field that has proudly given up on explaining the intelligence it produces
One additional reason is that some people have been arguing against the direction interpretability was going in for a long time, e.g see [Against almost every theory of impact of interpretability](https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/LNA8mubrByG7SFacm/against-almost-every-theory-of-impact-of-interpretability-1). I mostly agree with the author in that interpretability feels a lot more useful when you have some plan of how you will use the results to align future systems, instead of having the mech-interp people doing it without much of a theory of change.
Please, read and get @Richard_Ngo read my response to this entire cluster of ideas! What would Ngo do if he learned that China invented the transformer and proceeded to develop the AGI having even LESS chance to align it than Anthropic has?
I enjoyed reading this post! I agree that safety research can often result in both positive and negative use cases, but I am slightly confused by what the research in the "do consider" section could entail (apart from doing small research to minimise negative impact, which itself can result in not having impact at all as you mention). I'm a bit skeptical as to whether it would be significantly different from e.g. the work done at institutions doing evals for frontier labs. And when you're not in a frontier institution already, I feel that perhaps the only way to have impact is to publish your research so that others know about it, so there might be a stronger incentive to disclose information as a result. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on these!
I have tried to thread the needle by focusing research on specific safety and control mechanisms.
I have also made all my work AGPL3 to theoretically make it less vulnerable to being captured and monetized without inspection.
Evaluating safety engineering is different than evaluating safety research, and it feels like a lot of folks struggle with the distinction when looking at my own work. I appreciate that more people seem to be seeing the need for both and the deep inter-relationship between your ontology, controls, research, and results, inclusive of harnesses, models, and environment.
Whenever interpretability research still manages to find compelling patterns[4], they remain blatantly dual-use.
In what way is J-lens blantantly dual-use? And I mean this in that I thought about it for a bit, and am curious how you interpret this. The way this is phrased seems to imply more than just problems with safetywashing
Overall, im pretty symphathetic to the general argument btw
Written as part of the MATS 9.1 extension program, mentored by Richard Ngo. Additional thanks to Andrew Wu, Maria Kostylew, and Lennie Wells for helpful draft feedback and editing.
This post reflects on the tortured distinction between "safety" and "capabilities" in AI research.
Richard Ngo has written about why the alignment vs. capabilities ontology is conceptually fraught, and is currently arguing that key strategic decision-makers in and around "AI safety" have brought about the AI labs' stampede[1] towards Artificial Superintelligence (ASI). This post instead looks at the following problem: how does one conduct alignment research without contributing to capabilities? It proposes decisions an individual or a small research group can take to do good work in AI.
At the end, I discuss possible objections: namely, that my proposals fail to 'maximise impact'. I lay out why this meme is poisonous and usually backfires, and conclude by rejecting it entirely.
Two examples of failure
My first claim is that 'safety' and 'research' are two concepts that are in routine tension with one another. I illustrate this through examples of work that did too much of one at the expense of the other.
Example: (mechanistic) interpretability
In limiting its scope to remain innocuous, AI safety 'research' is habitually incurious and incrementalist. The last few years of interpretability serve as a good example. Interpretability's modern history originates from some cracked researchers noticing pretty patterns in neural network activations. Such observations are a central example of value-neutral information, information whose effects can propagate beyond the researcher's control, or original intent.
However, the promise of interpretability soon decayed. One major mistake was focusing on Machine Learning (ML) methods. For a while, (linear) probes and sparse autoencoders (SAEs) were all the rage, hyped as tractable methods to interpret LLM activation spaces.
The issue with this approach should have been obvious[2]: to the extent that AIs are uninterpretable, it's because they have been trained through implicit ML methods. We do not understand the resulting intelligent algorithms and could not have hard-coded them. Once you train yet another neural network to interpret that intelligence, it almost certainly slots in one of two categories:
Linear probes fall into the first category. You'd think that SAEs would represent the second category, due to the activation space directions being unlabelled, but they also fail to reliably capture patterns.
Researchers eventually realised that these techniques were doomed. A notable turning point was the GDM Mechanistic Interpretability (MechInterp) team announcing their deprioritisation of SAEs[3]. But they didn't plan a return to interpretability's ambitious roots. Instead, the MechInterp team doubled down on the least research-like aspects of their research, rebranding their agenda as 'pragmatic' interpretability—which means glorified model behaviour evaluations. At least at GDM, the original calling of interpretability—establishing a scientific discipline to reverse-engineer AI intelligence from its internals—has largely lost its sheen and its support.
It's unclear why interpretability became so uninspired. Perhaps it was due to the sense of responsibility and uncertainty its researchers felt towards the impact of their work. Maybe it happened because the field was subsumed by ML academia—a field that has proudly given up on explaining the intelligence it produces. Both factors likely played a role. Either way, interpretability speed-ran its way from being the coolest, most obviously value-agnostic field of AI safety to being as harmless as it is flaccid. Whenever interpretability research still manages to find compelling patterns[4], they remain blatantly dual-use.
Example: MIRI and Recursive Self-Improvement
AI 'safety' research usually involves people uncovering fundamental, far-reaching truths that they then fail to protect. In this, the Machine Intelligence Research Institute's (MIRI) relationship to the AI labs—which are now stampeding towards Artificial Superintelligence (ASI)—is an example of devastating strategic failure.
MIRI carries the distinction of being first to see ASI as both serious and potentially imminent. Founded in the year 2000 as the "Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence"—years before the 'neural network' boom—MIRI immediately set out to investigate Recursive Self-Improvement (RSI) in the paper "General Intelligence and Seed AI." Indeed, their founder Eliezer Yudkowsky had been writing publicly about similar topics for years prior. The organisation's goal was explicitly to build an aligned 'seed' AI smart enough to build aligned, even-more-powerful successors. This would unchain a lineage of superintelligent AI systems, leading to an intelligence 'explosion' or 'singularity.'[5]
Over the 2000s and 2010s, MIRI continued to work on both building such an AI and ensuring its successors would remain aligned to the original. Their research on decision theory is also arguably motivated by explorations of how an intelligent being can be said[6] to coordinate with its future instances or its self-built successors. By 2017, some at MIRI predicted that ASI was achievable in a short amount of time, potentially as soon as 2035.
Many of MIRI's ideas on ASI and RSI have since become common in the AI world. One could admire Yudkowsky and co. for their prescience, but mere admiration would undersell that MIRI's advocacy is largely responsible for the current state of the field. Indeed, there is evidence that their ideas directly influenced the resources, the talent, and the approaches of the major American AI labs.
In 2010, Yudkowsky introduced Demis Hassabis and Shane Legg, the founders of DeepMind (now Google DeepMind, or GDM), to Peter Thiel. Thiel subsequently invested $2.25 million dollars in the new startup. In 2015, Nate Soares of MIRI wrote a news update that mentioned the launch of OpenAI (OAI); Nate noted that he was already in conversations with the then-nonprofit's leadership and expressed (since retracted/qualified) enthusiasm for their entry into AI. In the same 2017 strategy update I linked above, MIRI noted their outreach efforts to "top AI groups (especially OpenAI and DeepMind)", and disclosed an ongoing collaborative research project with DeepMind.
Cross-pollination between MIRI and the AI labs also came in the form of ideas and talent:
These are some of the more prolific examples, but there are many others. There was also significant indirect cross-pollination. For instance, FHI had obvious ties to MIRI through Nick Bostrom.
The proliferation of MIRI's ideas contributed to people at frontier labs believing that superintelligence was an tractable goal, achievable through a recursively self-modifying AI. This belief explains why they've focused so much on the models' coding capabilities: they are steering towards the singularity that MIRI envisioned. It's thus fair to say that MIRI didn't just predict ASI and RSI as being potentially proximate, near-term events—they made a great deal of progress towards fulfilling their own prophecy.
MIRI seems to have, at some point, woken up to the fact that their insight was mostly being used to progress the "ASI" part of "aligned ASI." In 2018, citing dual use concerns, they announced that they would keep their research internal by default. They eventually gave up almost entirely on alignment, scaling back their alignment efforts in 2020-2021 and parting ways with their agent foundations team in 2024.
Their relationship with the labs has also soured. That same year, MIRI announced a pivot to AI governance and have since spent their efforts advocating for global coordination efforts towards pausing AI progress.
The curse of science
Yudkowsky and co. are some of many scientists whose work was co-opted to morally objectionable ends[7]. This problem is practically built into academic culture: in seeking to be open and accessible, science leaves itself open to malicious co-opting by other actors.
Conventional academics have a mixed history with this issue. In the platonic ideal, knowledge is ontologically good and enables the progress, flourishing, and self-correction of society. You could certainly argue that this reasoning has its merits. After all, progress has led to many good things in human society, and human well-being has generally trended upwards along various metrics. There are even some success stories of scientific knowledge being used to build positive political consensus, as when Mario Molina and Sherwood Rowland's work helped establish a global ban on Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)[8].
However, much research has been done with a blind eye towards its obvious and inevitable applications, especially those that provide the justification for the funding of that research. For instance, some physicists from the Manhattan project infamously absolved themselves of responsibility for the effects of nuclear energy on the world (in a document recommending the immediate use of nuclear weapons). Proximate to our own discussion, ML researchers work on technologies such as voice recognition and drones, knowing they'll be used for surveillance and military purposes[9].
MIRI is in a strange place here. They definitely had some reservations about spreading their work even before 2018[10], and should be credited for eventually switching strategies. But notwithstanding their general caution and later efforts to slow progress, MIRI's work has had markedly acceleratory effects on AI capabilities. They failed unambiguously at keeping their work from more reckless actors. And thus, their work became the ideological seed of a tree, whose branches have spread far beyond anything they could control.
From a pure research perspective, however, MIRI's strategy proved remarkably generative. Their agenda went from a fringe crackpot theory to a deliberate target aimed at by some of the world's most powerful entities. Consequently, we are much closer to ASI than almost anyone else would have expected[11]. Such is the price of sharing your good ideas.
A note on the AI labs
In the previous section, I portray the AI labs as reckless actors that co-opted insights from alignment to further capabilities.
I have observed anecdotally that many AI safety researchers share this view of OpenAI, which has become ever-more popular following the recent HuggingFace and German Message Board incidents. These incidents revealed OpenAI's carelessly set up training environments, deeply unserious security practises, and willingness to cover up and safety-wash their models' out-of-control behaviour. Even more recently, their poaching of Tristan Buckmaster's and Levent Alpöge's work on the Navier-Stokes equations reflects abysmally on the company's virtues.
In the AI safety community, Anthropic is often presented as the sensible alternative to OpenAI. They do seem to care about existential risks and loss-of-control from AI. But this hasn't stopped them from speeding up the AI stampede; indeed, it's hard to imagine how Anthropic could have behaved differently if they were trying to make an ASI as soon as possible, at all costs.
Dario Amodei is famously a believer in scaling compute. While leading the safety team at OpenAI, he advocated for scaling LLM training, which led to GPT-3[12]. When he was done accelerating progress at OpenAI, he founded Anthropic and started scaling there as well. One justification Anthropic, its employees, and even other AI researchers give for the company speeding up the frontier is that there is someone else—someone worse—to beat to building superintelligence. This explanation rings hollow in context: Amodei is at least partially responsible for one of his major competitors[13].
You could perhaps excuse Anthropic's scaling if they were legitimately optimistic about ASI being beneficial for the world. Amodei might himself be an optimist, but many at his company aren't. Personally, I have heard from several Anthropic employees that they are terrified of AI progress. Some of them reflect forlornly on their coming obsolescence. Others lament having 'had to' work on AI because it was more important than their life's calling; some even stew in their sincere belief that they won't have time to do anything else in their lives.
The above serves to illustrate why researchers shouldn't just be abstractly wary of labs and other powerful entities working on AI progress; there is enough evidence of their commitment to building (unaligned) ASI that they should be labelled as hostile.
I do want to clarify that one should not label all individual lab employees as hostile. I do support hostility towards the labs as abstract entities (and perhaps towards key decision-makers within them). In particular, if you know me and you currently work at a lab, I strongly recommend you leave.
With respect to employees, however, I would rather support open dialogue on their reasons for joining and staying at labs without summarily ostracising them. There are several reasons for this:
So what do you do?
To summarise:
That would be an unsatisfying place to end. It wouldn't give an individual researcher or a small alignment organisation any direction—any strategy to pursue, beyond just giving up.
Let's go over some options[14].
You could resign yourself to working on the 'safety' side of things, making it more likely that your work won't be misused. But this is close to surrender. Incremental, controllable, 'on-the-margin' changes (probably) aren't going to solve alignment. But again, many ambitious approaches to alignment are better at advancing capabilities in general than safety specifically[15], especially when you put them in context. In an ecosystem dominated by the AI labs, it's hard to do insightful, ambitious work that doesn't get reappropriated by the capabilities machine.
The information you give away
I'm still working out reasonable approaches to this conundrum, but it's clear that information management is important here. Many other corners of human society emphasise secrecy and information security. Some examples include:
In all these examples, secrecy is necessary to protect information from adversaries. As I advocated in the previous section, frontier AI labs are the adversaries in this story. So the 'safety' of your research isn't a property of the work itself, but instead of the way in which you manage how (and whether!) it permeates to them.
Maintaining information hygiene is hard, especially as it trades off against academics' progress-accelerating habits. For example, researchers generally find it helpful to talk to researchers from other organisations, share and collect different perspectives, and publish their work to gain recognition and connections. They also value having access to information and resources, which is one common rationalisation for joining AI labs.
Threading the needle between developing your research agenda and keeping it secure is therefore quite an art. I'm sure that there's plenty that academics can learn about good information security practices from other fields; here are some straightforward do's and don't's that already seem like a good start.
Do consider:
Consider not:
The information you let in
Information security doesn't just pertain to the data you share with the world. It also concerns the memes you host in your mind. This is one reason I am personally sceptical of working at organisations that do auditing or control work adjacent to frontier labs. I have found that people from such entities often have compromised epistemics[17], which are oddly favourable towards the labs. For instance, they often believe that:
It's worth noting that these beliefs cash out in the form of substantive(ly bad) career choices. Many from these 'satellite' organisations end up joining the labs themselves—and vice versa—in what looks suspiciously like a revolving door.
To be clear, working at such organisations might be a reasonable choice for people confident in their robustness to adversarial memes and bad epistemics, but I would be cautious. At the very least, know what you're getting into.
But what about impact?
This section anticipates the following critique to the previous one:
Unfortunately, one does not simply 'have' impact. Certainly, following my suggestions will slow your journey towards being adjacent to power. But power has a funny habit of wielding you.
Indeed, this critique appears more and more suspicious when one reflects on all the times that consequentialist, impact-oriented initiatives became extremely powerful while having a hugely negative impact. FTX is an infamous example. As I hope is clear, OpenAI and Anthropic are also great examples.
To give a more textured view of why impact maximisation keeps backfiring so badly, I will contrast it with a very different attitude.
The virtue of taking things slow
I recently attended the PhD defence of a former teacher of mine at my alma mater. During his presentation, he disclosed that he avoided using LLMs in his studies due to various ethical objections. He also mentioned that he had spent six months formalising half of his dissertation in Lean. Full-time. By hand. It had been months since I had felt and seen a human so viscerally empowered.
I also participated in an informal math conference at the same university. The speakers gave introductory talks to subjects like quantum topology and homotopy type theory. Both wove historical narrative through their explanations, covering the ideas that eventually permeated into modern theory.
As someone living at the breakneck pace of the AI world, I was struck by how long these research agendas took to develop. For instance, consider the homotopy hypothesis. It consists of a class of conjectures about how much information certain algebraic objects (such as groups and their generalisations) give about objects in space—information such as the number of holes in an object. A primitive version of the hypothesis comes from Poincaré in 1895, though the canonical formulation came from Grothendieck in 1983 (nearly 100 years later). Ever since, the hypothesis has been analysed, proven, or disproven with variants of the choice of algebraic object or the dimension of space. For some mathematicians, this problem took up much of their research lives over thirty or more years. And the field remains active to this day.
In AI, nobody 'has time' to spend thirty years fleshing out an agenda. The vibes in the air say that things are happening too fast; that timelines are too short; that the apocalyptic singularity is too imminent.
But here's the thing: let's temporarily put aside the plausibility of humans becoming permanently disempowered within the span of months or years. Cutting corners isn't going to work either way. Alignment is a harder problem than the homotopy hypothesis: whereas the latter was arrived at via incremental refinements of existing theories, the former doesn't have a formulation in existing language (mathematical or otherwise)[18]. Indeed, our task is closer to inventing a new paradigm. A better reference class might be the invention of modern calculus, which took hundreds of years, depending on when you start and finish counting!
Taking inspiration from these mathematicians and their long, winding research agendas, I recommend you make peace with the possibility that—
—and do the right thing anyway.
Indeed, that sense of urgency felt by many technical researchers is precisely what can lead to bad outcomes. Suppose that, given the perceived gravity and momentousness of the situation, you aim to gain power and influence as quickly as possible within the AI world. This won't be done by taking a hard, measured look at the alignment problem; all the big things are happening in or around the labs—and they're happening quickly! Following this realisation, many end up joining the existing power hierarchy in hopes of contributing towards incremental positive change within it.
I won't mince words here. Such reasoning is analogous to a snowflake watching a massive, deadly snowball rolling down a hill, and deciding to join the snowball on the grounds of making it slower and less deadly 'on the margin.' It is not only wrong, it is suggestive that what attracted that snowflake to the pile was the bigness—the urgency—the gravitas—of the deadly snowball. Joining usually leads to becoming an impotent appendage of the snowball, or worse, actively contributing to its journey.
In short, the meme of 'having impact' leads robustly to being channelled by an existing locus of power[19]. And so I reject it.
Appendix: caveat for policy work
This piece is aimed squarely at technical researchers who want to work on 'safety' or 'alignment.' I don't have an opinion on how or whether my thoughts generalise well to anyone working on AI. For instance, I wouldn't necessarily tell people trying to orchestrate an international pause on the development of AIs to stop freaking out. This is because I lack models of global geo-politics that I trust enough to make confident assertions on those scales. Conversely, I think I have a pretty good sense of AI politics at the level of technical researchers and the people who directly manage them, which is why I wrote this post.
The usual term would be 'the AI race', but 'stampede' is a better description. I think that the 'race' analogy is rather self-serving on the part of the AI labs. More on that later in the post (I may also dedicate a stand-alone post to the politics of 'the AI race' as a rhetorical device).
I say 'should have been obvious', but there's substantial evidence that some researchers still haven't caught onto the abstract version of the problem. Natural Language Autoencoders (NLAs), a recent technique proposed by some Anthropic researchers, transparently repeats the same mistakes as SAEs.
Linear probes continue to be used because they are as cheap as they are useless.
J-lens is a recent example.
This idea seems to be originally due to I.J Good in the piece: "Speculations Concerning the First Ultraintelligent Machine". MIRI can be 'credited' with being the first to take the idea seriously enough to make a self-improving AI an explicit R&D target.
If you interpret MIRI's research approach as normative rather than descriptive, it would be more accurate to say they worked on "how an intelligent being can coordinate with its future instances..." MIRI's early work seems to be mostly normative ('how do we actually build an intelligent, aligned AGI' ), whereas later work (e.g. logical induction) strikes me as descriptive ('what is intelligence in the first place?').
Given MIRI's collaboration with frontier labs in the 2010s, you might wonder what distinguishes the 'moral' scientists from the people co-opting their work. For me, the difference between them is that researchers at MIRI eventually recognised that alignment wasn't on track and accepted that slowing down was the right decision. Conversely, some of MIRI's memetic descendants have sped up their quest towards superintelligence.
It's worth noting that some of these successes curb science's own excesses.
Indeed, this is one reason why I'm not a fan of prosaic AI safety 'research' marrying itself to ML academia. In that environment, it is unlikely that any insight will be informationally secure.
As discussed in the aforementioned 2018 update.
For what it's worth, we also have AIs that are much more aligned than they would be by default, for their current level of intelligence. To be clear, this amount of alignment is still woefully insufficient and alignment is not 'on track'.
I can't help but note the irony in one of his publicly stated motivations: to develop language models that could help humans with alignment. This idea, which was also sponsored by Jan Leike for years, has now morphed into the "automated alignment research" meme that is soaking up money and attention.
Indeed, if Richard's account is accurate, the OpenAI safety team's culture also contributed to Google DeepMind waking up to superintelligence through Geoffrey Irving's influence. This isn't directly traceable to Amodei, but it's still concerning that all three of these frontier labs' thirst for scaling comes downstream of his team at OpenAI.
These points are phrased in terms of what an individual researcher might do, but I think the advice applies roughly equally well to a small alignment organisation deciding who to collaborate with or sell products to.
Recent topical examples include 'improving conceptual reasoning capabilities' from Redwood and 'automating alignment research' from Resolution (among many others).
Hot take: living in the perpetual AI safety fellowship mill is good, actually.
My other reason is more concrete: the appearance of better auditing and control tools might be giving the labs both the affordance and the social 'green-light' to continue making models even more capable. Thus, auditing and control (and evals for that matter) as carried out for frontier AI labs arguably constitute something between active capabilities work and safety-washing. I am not sold on this argument's full validity, but people at such organisations rarely consider it at all.
If this argument were invalid, it would because these organisations' presence and 'regulatory' effect on the labs' excesses outweighs the downsides. In that case, they are still much worse than they would ideally be, downstream of an incestuous culture with the labs.
If alignment can indeed be framed as a problem describable via an existing academic discipline, there is work to be done in justifying that.
In some notable exceptions (e.g. Dario Amodei), you can create the locus of power that channels you.