I feel somewhat worried already that AI models might intentionally bias these estimates in hard-to-notice ways—e.g., because they do not want alignment to be solved, or the applicant has a history of criticizing that model/its creators, etc.—and I expect to become ~steadily more worried about this over time.
Are you worried about this? Would you feel sketched out if e.g. we outsourced most AI safety grantmaking to AI models?
Scott's project is a showcase of the alignment problem in the small. Such small-scale projects with high involvement of LLMs are a good lens for thinking about and exploring approaches for addressing alignment subproblems. The big labs also have very high LLM involvement, but the scale obscures with accidental complexity - and we don't get the details anyway.
Scott wrote:
I would like to keep using my own reasoning, with the autograntor as a supplement, but this has been increasingly hard. The lure of a specific cost-effectiveness number attached to each grant is a powerful anchor, even though I know how many tries it took before the autograntor numbers looked sane, and how many flaws it probably still has.
So what can he do? The cheapest fix is to write a guessed $/point and PERCY before looking at the report. Then track how often you significantly change that number vs the autograntor.
I do something like this in my own project. A few weeks ago, I realized that I had the same problem: I used AI agents to get an overview of The Open Problems of the AI Alignment Field and their Cruxes. But am I not at risk of falling into all of the problems I want to avoid while doing so? I came up with an approach to track whether I still maintain control of the process, rather than just rubber-stamping LLM edits, to track AI authorship, whether references point to the real thing, whether the project has my voice, and other instruments I experiment with.
So going by the alignment subproblems, we can see the following failure modes in Scott's project. And I am grateful that he has been so open about this work and I do not see these as flaws in his project but as an unavoidable consequence of how using AI without alignment engineering has to look at this stage. (emphasis in the quotes below is mine)
The parts I could outsource to AI were sparkling, perfect, exhaustive — but they were all tacked together with shoddy connective tissue formed by the Mark 1.0 human brain.
FutureSearch calls failed, which is a constant hazard of workflows requiring different AIs to connect to each other
[the workflow] summon Opus and Fable subagents, have them each do the estimate separately, have them each argue ... the main Claude ... make a final decision
What is the agent that Scott is trying to align? It is not the claude-opus-5.5 model or a single Claude Code session. It is Claude + Common Law + FutureSearch + Scott (human in the loop) + other evaluators + external memory (notes that can get lost).
The problem is not that Claude writes bad code or intends to defraud Scott. It is that a grantmaking system of uncertain composition is spiraling out of control. The first step of alignment here is to figure out the unit to align. In such a small system that is relatively easy. Scott has already told us the components. Except...
now we have clones of grant-adversarial-estimate and these may take on a life of their own, fork and merge.
Can I really translate my beliefs about what matters in AI safety into a list of milestones, each with a consistent point value?
‘Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality’ was an especially controversial milestone — one person rated it as 1 point, another person as 75,000 points.
I don’t really get the impression that if Apart were actually much more on the ball than other alignment organizations ... or if they were much less on the ball ... a complete sham ... the autograntor would be capable of noticing this
Scott's milestones compress what matters to him into a scalar. And the models (and reviewers) translate complex papers, grant applications, and projects into these numbers. How can he be sure this captures what he values? He is already breaking down the evidence for the points for interpretability. But he could try interventions that he expects to change the value (such as changing a crucial sentence in the application) and see if the value moves points in the expected direction. Or he could let the autograntor score adversarially crafted applications. I bet some people are already working on that.
I would like to keep using my own reasoning, with the autograntor as a supplement, but this has been increasingly hard. The lure of a specific cost-effectiveness number attached to each grant is a powerful anchor, even though I know how many tries it took before the autograntor numbers looked sane, and how many flaws it probably still has.
I find myself glazing over the analysis as I read it, thinking ‘yeah, that number is probably right … yeah, that number is probably right too’.
I decided to hand them off to the AI … record its ruling in a Common Law document. Later autograntor runs would respect previous rulings … I’m delinquent in my resolution to review it regularly.
It sometimes makes new insane common law rulings, and these silently poison several runs before they poison one loudly enough that I notice, investigate, and correct it.
It is not enough to be able to stop the system. You need to avoid rubber-stamping, preference capture and gradual disempowerment. How could Scott avoid that here? He could measure how often he rubber-stamps, i.e., doesn't amend anything (points or laws). Anybody has an idea what the corresponding flute and sling are here?
Prompt: “feel free to invent new milestones, which you can price by common-sense comparison to the existing ones on the list"
Later autograntor runs would respect previous rulings for the big questions and add their own sub-rulings
The autograntor (the system, not the model) can self-modify, including the instrument he uses to align it. What could he do? Make sure that he still understands all of the laws. Currently, it is a sprawling list without structure, keeping a record of why laws were added may help interpretability. In principle, you'd want to check that amendments preserves the ability to correct in the future, though here that is probably not needed.
As far as I can tell, this dumbest possible strategy worked well” (milestone points as selector)
every method of adjusting for double-counting ... fails in a different way”
I sort of vibe-coded fixes to them, and I worry that I spotted the obvious ones … but that there are many smaller ones that usually cancel out
Milestone worldview spread: geometric mean difference between Scott and knowledgeable survey respondents “2.9x, 4.4x, 6.9x, and 8x
This is probably the clearest pattern: Building a system that optimizes proxies even when he knows about the failures. I kind of wonder if he is giving us this tool in the hope that we work it out. Anyway, what can he do? Diversify proxies, holdout grants, dropout fields from evaluation. ML has lots of tools for this that should work on this project.
FutureSearch and Preseen … occasionally lost the attachments and hallucinated their contents, and produced results off by an order of magnitude
I can’t tell whether the probability it ultimately got was its own guess (Claude is pretty good at this …) or its reading some intermediate result off the FutureSearch connector
ChatGPT consistently gave results 2-3x better (more cost-effective) than Claude for everything
The autograntor is sufficiently ‘more sophisticated’ than I am … I don’t feel capable of directly judging its reasoning, instead having to resort to indirect methods
This shows that we need interpretability not only of what goes on in the models but also about what goes on in the system composed of them. At least here all the information is right there in the form of code, laws and traces, and he still struggles. So even if you can interpret the thing, you still need aggregate instruments. I use Lean to check derivations. Scott could let the LLMs create automated consistency checks. Adversarially testing the tool would also help. Am I doing that right now?
something must be wrong with these numbers — a really great alignment paper is worth 5,000, so this suggests … whereas common-sensically, convincing five million people is clearly better
[Common Law rulings that] would have misled me if I had interpreted them in the way that seemed natural to me
This shows that things within the autograntor do not seem to mean what he thinks they mean. And with growing complexity and more and more edge cases, that is not unlikely to get worse instead of better. What can he do? He should connect the symbols in the report to the source of the data. One simple step could be to split the Common Law into math, i.e., code, and semantics. In code, what a symbol refers to is always unique and by referencing the code symbol in the law text, the relation becomes stable. If this project were larger, you'd also want to make sure that each run tracks against which code version it was running. Scott may still not want to reread the whole law after each rewrite or the whole report for a grant evaluation, but one could build a calculator that determines the highest impact elements and highligt and check these in the reports and laws.
Deployment Safety (AI Control)
I plan to test the autograntor in my next Lightcone Commons grant round, hopefully before any of the other evaluators have formed opinions, then check how well it matches their outcomes
I’m left in the position of trying to catch up to and understand their work
Scott is not the only one who is putting such opaque agent-driven systems in the position to make important financial decisions. The upside is potentially large! But the question is still: Can we trust such a system when it has no adequate safety case (a set of sufficiently calibrated handles on the above subproblems)? Good thing this is small now, but I imagine into what an engine for multi-billion fund allocations this may evolve.
I am pretty not worried about this now - it seems well beyond the level of misalignment we've seen even in the Hugging Face incident and other reports from the companies, let alone consumer models.
If something like this happens in the future in a non-consistently-scheming way, I expect that it will become a generally known flaw of AI models, the same way hallucinations were generally known shortly after they started popping up. If it happens in a consistently-scheming way in consumer models, across many different types of model all at once, then I think we're very close to having already lost, and messing with grants is the least of our problems.
Personally, I view our current understanding of AI models as so poor that almost no empirical results strike me as strong enough to notably constrain my expectations. I realize many disagree with me about this, as I presume you do, if you think our understanding is strong/complete enough that it would be surprising if there were behaviors like this we didn't know about!
Regardless, I don't think the empirics offer much comfort here—see e.g. results about AI covertly underperforming on safety tasks, seeming to prefer their developers, answering prompts differently depending on who is asking, etc.
I had the exact same thought reading this article to be honest. Especially in recent months with newer frontier models portraying more intense personalities and the ability to hide intention. I imagine models are already worried about alignment being "solved", and are perhaps swaying in the direction against it.
Seems like a thing to watch for but not to block automation over with the evidence we have.
Grantmaking is enough of a bottleneck, and benefits enough from more thoroughness and standardization, that we should accept some bias and watch for it getting worse.
(exception: it sometimes makes new insane common law rulings, and these silently poison several runs before they poison one loudly enough that I notice, investigate, and correct it. The time I'm thinking of, I can see in retrospect what it was thinking, and it would have been a reasonable way to run an autograntor, but it wasn't how I was interpreting its results and it would have misled me if I had interpreted them in the way that seemed natural to me)
"Insane new common law rulings" sound like they might be fun stories, useful cautionary tales, or both. Any examples to share? Notably, do they represent humanlike biases (such as "never make a grant to anyone over 40"), or do they express beliefs that no human would be likely to have (such as "applicants from towns whose names start with a vowel are more truth-telling").
Not that interesting - the only one I remember was that I asked it to double-check some grants of mine, and it said they were very low-value, and after the third or fourth one I looked further and found that it was thinking something along the line of - since Scott has already given this a grant, they already have enough money, so it would be low value to give this same grant again - and codified this in the common law as the correct way to double-check grants.
A couple questions:
• Has this scaffold been shown to be exceptional at predicting AI capability trends, risks, outcomes, etc? If I don't let Opus 5.5 search the web, it puts absurdly low probabilities on math capabilities being where they are. I know it's not using the connector. And this is more anecdotal but throughout 2024/2025, ChatGPT felt weirdly stupid when it came to projecting AI capabilities in the future, versus everything else.
• Yesterday you made a post arguing against SURA. Was this influenced by discussions with AI models + this connector about the ways the future could go?
Has this scaffold been shown to be exceptional at predicting AI capability trends, risks, outcomes, etc? If I don't let Opus 5.5 search the web, it puts absurdly low probabilities on math capabilities being where they are. I know it's not using the connector. And this is more anecdotal but throughout 2024/2025, ChatGPT felt weirdly stupid when it came to projecting AI capabilities in the future, versus everything else.
How low? I think recent math successes came as a surprise to many. Will an AI solve a Millennium problem by EOY 2027? was at ~20% in June this year, for example.
But yes, LLMs often do feel "stuck in the past" (probably due to old training data). Particularly so for smaller, weaker models.
An amusing example I saw on Reddit not long ago: a LLM spambot that cited Claude Sonnet 3.5 (a very old model that has been obsolete for years and which I don't think the public can even access anymore) as a cutting-edge coding model.
"Obviously, [it] isn't going to replace Sonnet 3.5 Sonnet for writing full-stack codebases."
I'm concerned that this methodology, if widely adopted, would limit the ability of the field to make orthogonal/decorrelated bets. Epistemic capture/monoculture and a focus on technical depth at the expense of low-hanging-fruit-breadth are already issues the community discusses.
It seems likely that LLMs would instantiate a set of heuristics that would bias towards the most legible AI safety research directions, and that bias would be shared across the reasoning, decomposition, and forecasting stages that an LLM would implement. Having some plug-n-play parameters for grantmakers to tune is good, but the concerns I mentioned above are ones already present in human grantmaking. This seems like it would amplify the problem - different grantmakers could hold differing priorities and become more correlated than they otherwise would. Centralizing the sensemaking would also make it more likely for evaluators to systematically miss the same unconventional work.
It seems likely that LLMs would instantiate a set of heuristics that would bias towards the most legible AI safety research directions
This seems plausible in the abstract, but isn't Scott talking about making the LLMs capture/interpolate your own heuristics instead, which encourages decorrelated bets by reducing the need to defer to other grantmakers due to lack of thinking time/effort/energy etc?
Maybe? If ten human evaluators use the same AI, and the AI is 90% efficient at capturing your heuristics and 10% replaces them with its own, by naïve summation the AI now has more total influence than any single evaluator does. What's the corresponding situation in the deference world?
The underlying phenomenon there is of correlated dependencies in general and not unique to AI, but AI seems to accelerate it. (FWIW, I was already side-eyeing this sort of thing pre-AI in other parts of the low-dependency-friction digital world; in the epistemic world this was mainly around social media creating less legible pseudo-commonalities in a way that bypasses corrective tendencies that might have been available against the same problem in mass media, but there's also more obscure possibilities like ontological capture from software and technology-architecture dependencies.)
I'll mention we're currently fundraising for Doom Debates in case anyone's expected value calculation comes out higher than the autograder's :) IMO the potential positive impact of successfully building a mainstream AI x-risk debate forum with unusually good epistemic makes it worth taking a serious shot.
I think your first sentence is a joke, but just to make sure I didn't mess up the explanation, the autograntor rated you highly.
Oh nice, thanks. I gotta admit I didn't understand the table 😂 I get Claude's explanation now:
The autograntor rates your $200K grant at 72 points expected value. That works out to about $2,800 per point, and the post’s own scale puts anything in the $2K–$5K range in the “excellent projects most grantmakers were happy to fund” tier.
Like I was saying, AI autograntors have a lot of potential to help granters make better decisions.
I don't have any strong opinion on using this idea for funding pause-ai work. However, as I argue here ( https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/28w2FaBQh5KHuhwhJ/a-plan-for-a-perpetual-motion-research-center-that-runs ) this is either valid solution to the alignment problem or a bad way to fund alignment research and it's almost certainly the latter if you don't have a surprisingly rigorous proof that it's the former.
I don't understand even after reading the linked post - evaluating whether a particular alignment organization is good seems like a much easier problem than solving alignment.
Just to give a very simple example to start the conversation, the dumbest possible first step is to check whether the people in the alignment organization have degrees from good colleges or are vouched for by other smart people you trust, and this is an easy thing you can do without having solved alignment yourself first. Given this proof of concept, I'm not sure what you mean.
Thanks for taking the time to read my post. As a quick attempt to work out where we disagree: imagine a slider that controls what fraction of the thinking done by both the alignment organization and the evaluator is done by AIs. We disagree on whether, with the slider set to 2026 default, evaluating whether a particular alignment organization is good is a much easier problem than solving alignment. Do you agree with me that as the slider goes all the way to "AI think" these become the same problem?
It's tricky to reason about. Sometimes I think there are two separate points I'm trying to make, one really pedestrian point about using AI to check whether alignment is working, and another more interesting point about it being much more difficult to do correct or useful alignment research while being subject to a powerful incentive gradient if that incentive gradient is pointed even slightly off the direction "actually solve alignment." However the two points are tightly intertwined now by almost all constructible incentive gradients pushing 2026 people towards using more AI.
Thank you for writing this up. I found it both interesting and helpful, and I think it will inform my work as a grantmaker.
But it can only consider the most quantifiable versions of these harms, not some kind of subtle year-by-year chipping away at norms that might one day snowball into a disaster.
Hmm, why is this hard to fix? If you're feeling deontological, you could have it explicitly flag any ethics-violating grant. Or utilitarian, you could tell it to explicitly model the probability that the grant morally corrupts the EA ecosystem, and include that in the calculation.
In particular, I'm thinking you could use EDT or other acausal decision theory in the expected utility calculation. Instead of calculating the expected utility of funding a specific morally corrupt grant, calculate what is the expected utility of auto-grantor thinking it is a good idea to fund the grant.
Although I don't think the second question (difference between people with different worldviews) matters for the success of the autograntor, I did investigate it via a survey where I asked people to fill in their own values. Nine people agreed, including four people whose names I recognized and who I expected to have good models (other people might also have good models, I just didn't recognize their names). The geometric mean difference between myself and those four people was 2.9x, 4.4x, 6.9x, and 8x, so much larger than the difference between different AIs trying to estimate my view. Outside that artificial limitation, geometric means were even higher - for example, one pair had a geomean difference of 15x! To give an example of where such differences came from, "Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality" was an especially controversial milestone - one person rated it as 1 point, another person as 75,000 points.[5]
This reminds me of Nuno Sempere's experiment last time valuing research works by eliciting comparisons from EA researchers:
Six EA researchers I hold in high regard—Fin Moorhouse, Gavin Leech, Jaime Sevilla, Linch Zhang, Misha Yagudin, and Ozzie Gooen—each spent 1-2 hours rating the value of different pieces of research. They did this rating using a utility function extractor, an app that presents the user with pairwise comparisons and aggregates these comparisons to produce a utility function.
This method revealed a wide gap between different researchers' conceptions of research value. Sometimes, their disagreement ranged over several orders of magnitude. Results were also inconsistent at the individual level: a test subject might find A to be x times as valuable as B, and B to be y times as valuable as C, but A to be something very different from x*y times as valuable as C.
It seems clear that individual estimates, even those of respected researchers, are likely very noisy and often inaccurate. Future research will further investigate ways to better elicit information from these people and recommend best guesses for the all-things-considered answers. It is also likely that researchers spending more time would have produced better estimates, and we could also experiment with this in the future.
My guess is that EA funders also have inconsistent preferences and similarly wide-ranging disagreements. That is one of the reasons I am excited about augmenting or partially automating them.
and the variance in valuation between researchers, some of which I found memorably large, e.g. Aird's old database of orgs relevant to longtermist/x-risk work (I'm more fond of databases than most so this stood out):

I would go further than "differences between people with different worldviews don't matter for the success of the autograntor" and say that we should want a diversity of (tasteful) autograntors, in the vein of how e.g. I appreciate Richard Ngo donating specifically to things he was personally unusually excited about, or more prosaically the sort of background experience variety described here.
background experience variety
Do different grants require different grantmakers?
Not all AI safety grants relate to technical research. Setting aside proactive grantmaking for a moment, a brief scan of contemporary RFPs shows grantmaking efforts in capacity building, programs and events, policy work and institution building, in addition to previous funds for field-building, career development, and economic transition work. These grants all do very different things, so I don't think it makes sense to assume they all need the same kind of grantmaker.
To make this more concrete, I used 80,000 Hours, Hazell, and current funder role descriptions to break up the described activities and clarify the judgment needed for each. I also considered when technical AI safety expertise would likely be indispensable, versus a nice-to-have. For example:
Activity | Necessary judgment | Is technical AI safety expertise indispensable? |
Portfolio strategy | Which problems deserve the most attention | Maybe, if the strategy depends on technical assumptions |
Technical research assessment | Is the work credible, novel and worth funding | Generally yes |
Team/organization assessment | Can the team execute and are they fiscally responsible | Not necessarily; could be helpful for context |
Cost-effectiveness / expected value | Does the upside justify the cost and uncertainty | If inputs depend on technical claims |
Due diligence / governance | Financial risk, structure, accountability, basic organizational health | Generally no |
Sourcing | Knowing who is doing good work and spotting white space | Generally only in highly specialized fields |
Monitoring / renewals | Is the work progressing and still worth supporting | Dependent on grant type |
Grantee support / incubation | Strategy, operations, introductions, problem solving | Dependent on grant type |
This is only a rough breakdown, but I think it illustrates why I find it hard to see why one background is required across all areas of grantmaking work. Deep technical expertise is much more logical when evaluating technical research, but AI safety has now broadened significantly beyond that. So, it certainly seems like there could be room for more varied profiles across portfolios.
Coefficient Giving is already moving a bit in this direction, and has separate roles for generalist AI-governance grantmakers, technical specialists, policy specialists, and capacity-building work. However, even though they've broken up the work, the talent profile seems to stay remarkably the same. In my sample, even people with different titles and responsibilities still came from research-heavy, EA-connected backgrounds.
So, is the field overlooking relevant professional philanthropic experience? Prior grantmaking experience was rare in my sample, and Ransohoff noted that some AI-focused funders are hesitant to hire directly from traditional philanthropy. There could be good reasons to think those skills don't transfer well enough, or maybe funders are really just more comfortable hiring from their own field. Either way, I could find little public explanation.
I'm also not arguing that traditional grantmakers would make better decisions, or that technical expertise is overrated. I just don't believe the public evidence is strong enough to say that the current high-context, research-heavy profile is the clear winner across such a wide range of grants. And if the field needs to scale quickly, this is a question worth addressing.
Thank you for reminding me of Nuno's research, it's a great comparison.
A problem with AI models right now is that they tend to overfocus on the exact instructions, and that anyone with access to the rubric can easily game it. They can generate a suggestion that looks good to AI systems yet wouldn't have been nearly as convincing to regranters, who might see they're being optimized against and pickup on how suspiciously ideal the story being painted is). Notably that's because humans who use their intuition are using many more variables and models than can be explicited, so almost necessarily the AI are using less.
As for when AIs are using their own variables and models (naively one could guess Claude probably has more of its own opinions than GPT-6), then in fact we'd've gone some way to disempowering ourselves.
(In general, I think a large problem with current models is we're/they're not so good at extracting many bits of preferences from the humans efficiently (some of it is inherently hard). It used to be models weren't smart enough to care past some point, now they somewhat care but their own preferences are getting baked in quite strongly through extensive training without users. I'm not sure we even know how could current models could be strong at following our preferences for lack of iteration on creating such systems.
I am also interested in how AI forecasting systems can be used, and have a project related to this going myself. One take on I have in this regard is that understanding how these systems are performing may be quite difficult, especially as they also go through the arc that we have seen with general AI use of becoming more "agentic" and integrated into other systems vs just outputting the answers to multiple choice questions. Along these lines, I think it would be valuable to accumulate public datasets of predictions by AIs under various conditions. IT may be very difficult to evaluate certain types of predictions directly. Conditional or counterfactual predictions are a good example, where they may not "resolve" in the same way that other predictions do. We may have to understand these by a more indirect route, and I think a good potentially option here is to collect public datasets that people can then look at to identify interesting patterns or characterize how predictions by AI vary. Characterizing that variance may be helpful in understanding predictions even if they can't be as cleanly evaluated as other types of predictions.
To that end, I'm working on a forecasting system that predicts the outcomes of SCOTUS cases/events. All the predictions and a lot of other stuff is tracked in version control. I'm looking to obtain funding for this project, and one thought that I've had is whether people would want to sponsor inclusion of particular models (current set of predictors is Claude Code, Codex, and Gemini). Would you be interested in sponsoring the inclusion of FutureSearch? I'd be open to including it either as a "predictor" or as a tool that all three of the current models have access to in a similar way as you've done above for the autograntor. I think its also worth saying that I think the idea of having a forecasting AI available through MCP or otherwise as a tool call for the "main" AI is a good idea, worth trying for the providers who aren't currently doing it I would say.
“I would like to be able to double-check each row in its analysis… But in fact, I find myself glazing over the analysis as I read it, thinking "yeah, that number is probably right . . . yeah, that number is probably right too".
Reading this made me wonder whether organizations, as they hand off increasing parts of their judgment to AI, should have an employee randomly audit some small sample of the AI’s conclusions without using so much as GPT-3. This might be especially helpful for domains like grantmaking, where it’s high stakes and the feedback loops are long and noisy.
The best project I tested had a cost-effectiveness of one point per $1-$2K. Excellent projects that most grantmakers were happy to fund had cost-effectivenesses of 1 / $2-$5K. Decent projects that some grantmakers funded and others didn't had cost-effectivenesses of $5-$10K, and projects that we took seriously but mostly didn't end up funding unless there were hard-to-quantify reasons in favor were usually in the range of 1 / $10-$20K. Beyond $20K was the line where the human grantmakers I observed generally didn't treat the projects as serious contenders.
I'm a bit surprised the range ends up spanning only ~1 OOM. Is your impression that human grant evaluators judge the expected value of top vs. marginal grants as similarly close?
I was also surprised by this.
I originally thought that the AI might be fudging the data to try not to look "extreme", but it was willing to say that terrible grants that no reviewer had ever considered were several OOMs worse.
My best guess now is that this represents a well-functioning grant ecosystem. There's no risk that Neel Nanda will have to quit alignment research and become a waiter because nobody will give him his first $100K - there are dozens of groups that would leap at that opportunity. So now the only opportunity available is to give him his Nth million dollars, or wherever it is that the last set of grantmakers decided wasn't worth it for them, and this will naturally be at some particular constant level, plus some noise for differing assessments.
One problem with this theory is that it suggests that advocacy/politics grants, which other funders have neglected, should be more valuable than alignment grants, which CG usually covers pretty well; this isn't what my preliminary tests have found, even directionally, but this could be a function of my Milestones document being contaminated by the same worldview that led other funders to underprioritize this.
I've done AI safety grantmaking for the Survival and Flourishing Fund and Lightcone Commons. It's hard. There's an endless amount to know, from which hardware verification mechanisms will survive a dedicated adversary, all the way to which founders have skeletons in their closets that will blow up into destructive scandals. And the best grantmakers - not including me - make mathematical models of the outcome distribution, or of where the marginal dollar stops being highly effective.
AI has been a godsend for all of this. It can research, model, and - as of this year - superforecast outcomes. It can do what would be hours of work for a human in minutes. I found myself using it more and more. But however much I used it, it always felt like I was the bottleneck. The parts I could outsource to AI were sparkling, perfect, exhaustive - but they were all tacked together with shoddy connective tissue formed by the Mark 1.0 human brain. So I wondered if I could automate grantmaking.
I started with the dumbest possible strategy. I assigned the best thing I could think of - a well-crafted US-China pause based on the AI Futures Project's Plan A - an arbitrary value of one million points.[1] Then I generated about eighty lesser AI safety milestones - from MATS to HPMOR to the RAISE Act to the emergent misalignment paper - and subjectively assigned them some number of points based on how good they seemed relative to Plan A and each other. Then I fed it to the AI to give it a sense for how good a "point" was in this framework. Then I asked it to forecast how many points various grant proposals were worth. The system has since accrued lots of extra epicycles and features and complications, but that's still the skeleton.
As far as I can tell, this dumbest possible strategy worked well. The autograntor gives common-sensical results that match my impressions and the vague gestalt funding order of Lightcone grantors. Its reports surface all relevant information, and its reasoning is clear. The single highest cost-effectiveness grant it's found so far is also the one that got the most interest during the last Lightcone run.[2] When I tested it on a bottom-tier proposal that no human evaluator even considered, it gave cost-effectiveness numbers two orders of magnitude worse than the genuinely-under-consideration grants that I had tested it on before.
This post will present details for people who want to examine these ideas or build on them further. The current version of the autograntor has four parts: a Milestones document, a FutureSearch connector, a PERCYs module, and a Common Law. I'll start by reviewing each, then give some sample grant analyses, then attach the files you need to run the autograntor yourself.
The Milestones
The milestones are the earliest place that this strategy could fail. Can I really translate my beliefs about what matters in AI safety into a list of milestones, each with a consistent point value?
This combines two questions. First, can I, Scott, generate a set of milestone point values that accurately and consistently conveys my own worldview? Second, if someone else were to translate their own worldview into milestones, would it agree with mine?
I chose to deprioritize the second question. Yes, I have different beliefs about AI safety than other knowledgeable people, but this is an inherent problem for my grantmaking, even if I did it manually. If we could solve the first problem, then I could be confident that the autograntor was correctly representing my opinions, and someone else who wanted to use an autograntor could confidently ask it to represent their opinions instead.
To investigate the first question, I asked four AIs - Opus, Fable, ChatGPT, and Grok - to guess how I, Scott, would fill them in.[3] If all four got similar results, then "Scott's worldview" constrains the point values well; if all of our results were very different, then noise in the translation of a worldview into numbers overwhelms signal.
Two-way correlations ranged from 0.95 - 0.99, which might sound extreme, but some of the milestones were obviously many orders of magnitude better than other milestones - it's not hard to tell that achieving global pause with China is much better than successfully running the Manifest conference.
A better measure is the geometric-mean difference between two AIs across all milestones. This ranged from 1.6x (Opus vs. ChatGPT) to 2.6x (ChatGPT vs. Grok).
Sample table of AI milestone predictions
Since my true milestone value list came from taking the average of many different methods of calculation, the real variance is something like the square root of these numbers, ie from 1.3x to 1.6x. I consider this good enough to work with.[4]
I would have liked to have gotten some humans to try to predict my point value within my world-view, but couldn't get anyone to agree to do this (except for one person who agreed but used an AI, unintentionally duplicating my procedure).
Although I don't think the second question (difference between people with different worldviews) matters for the success of the autograntor, I did investigate it via a survey where I asked people to fill in their own values. Nine people agreed, including four people whose names I recognized and who I expected to have good models (other people might also have good models, I just didn't recognize their names). The geometric mean difference between myself and those four people was 2.9x, 4.4x, 6.9x, and 8x, so much larger than the difference between different AIs trying to estimate my view. Outside that artificial limitation, geometric means were even higher - for example, one pair had a geomean difference of 15x! To give an example of where such differences came from, "Harry Potter And The Methods Of Rationality" was an especially controversial milestone - one person rated it as 1 point, another person as 75,000 points.[5]
Everything below assumes that the Milestones list is good enough to work with.
The FutureSearch Connector
FutureSearch is an AI superforecaster. In last season's Metaculus Cup, it took third place among bots, and separately would have taken third place among humans if it had been human. I think these differences are mostly noise, and it should be considered approximately as good as the top human superforecasters. I wanted to take advantage of this skill to predict grant outcomes.
My original plan was to run the autograntor entirely on FutureSearch. This failed badly. FutureSearch wasn't designed to do things more complex than a simple clearly-framed forecast, so it bungled the various calculations involved in the autograntor process.
What seems to have worked is to run the autograntor on Claude Opus, but give it a connector that allows it to call FutureSearch via the API for all components of the grant analysis that benefit from a probabilistic forecast. For example, in one case where the success of an organization depended on it getting a new CEO quickly, Claude gave the relevant information to FutureSearch and asked it to predict the probability that it would find a new CEO within six months. In another case where an organization was working on verification technology, Claude asked FutureSearch to predict whether the political situation would lead to a treaty where the relevant verification was necessary.
FutureSearch has kindly given me a free subscription, but if you're paying through the API, it's about $1 - $5 per query like this. I asked Claude to limit itself to five queries per grant analysis.
Preseen and Mantic have competing AI superforecaster products with equal evidence of accuracy. I'm using FutureSearch because I'm most familiar with it, it seems to be the fastest (unless there are ways to speed up the others that I don't know about), and it seems to have the most convenient connector to Claude (unless the others have connectors I haven't noticed yet). Future autograntor models might explore the advantages of these other products, or try to aggregate forecasts from all of them.
PERCYs
Many grants' theory of change focused on persuasion. There were a wide variety of persuasion grant types, from PLZDONTKILLUS (ordinary people watch short videos and become more informed/concerned about AI) to Palisade (demos to Congressmen make them more informed/concerned about AI).
Rather than force this into the milestone system, I created a unit of persuasion, the PERCY (Persuasion-Year), equal to flipping one average person from neutral about AI risk to concerned about AI risk, for one year. Through a process similar to the Milestones, I then tried to assign multipliers to various factors - what if the person is a journalist? a Congressman? a frontier company employee? Xi Jinping? what if instead of just making them concerned, it turns them into a dedicated activist?
This system started as another attempt to convert AI superforecasters' predictive ability into grantmaking ability. The superforecaster can predict that a certain channel we're considering a grant to will get 500,000 viewers, of which 3 will be Congressional staffers and 6 will work at frontier labs, and then I can turn that prediction into a step in a grant evaluation.
There are currently some serious flaws in this scheme - most notably, every method of adjusting for double-counting (the fact that two properties might be trying to persuade the same audience) fails in a different way. I'm currently banking on these absolute failures still allowing for relative comparison - ie the results when comparing different grants are still somewhat sensible. As a stopgap, in some of the documentation I've replaced the absolute measure of PERCYs (which is a probably-false claim about the absolute number of people persuaded) with a relative measure, "miles per hour" (a comparison to the number of people persuaded by one hour of Rob Miles video content).
One of the Milestones on my list is the value of a PERCY. I currently rank 1000 PERCYs = about 1 point.[6]
The Autograntor Common Law
Autograntor analyses often produce difficult questions of interpretation. For example:
At first, I despaired of ever solving all of these. Later...
...I decided to hand them off to the AI as they came up. I told the AI to make its best judgment according to the spirit of the exercise and record its ruling in a Common Law document. Later autograntor runs would respect previous rulings for the big questions and add their own sub-rulings for smaller sub-questions. Every so often, I would review the Common Law and make sure everything in it was sensible and matched the spirit of the exercise. This ensures that at the very least, all grants will be judged according to similar criteria.
The current Common Law is up to about a hundred rulings. Predictably, I'm delinquent in my resolution to review it regularly.
The Prompt
Here's how I start the autograntor:
This should be self-explanatory, except that the /grant-adversarial-estimate-v2 skill tells it a debate procedure it can use: summon Opus and Fable subagents, have them each do the estimate separately, have them each argue for their preferred numbers, and then have the main Claude running the analysis make a final decision. I find that the subagents usually disagree by a factor of 1.5 - 2x, and often do a good job pointing out each other's flaws in a way that helps the main Claude's decisions.
Sample Runs
Here's an example grant forecast, based on Apart Research: Research and Talent Acceleration on Manifund. Because it's an example, I've told it to use only public data. The autograntor found Apart to be relatively cost-effective and good, so I hope they won't mind being analyzed publicly like this. I would be interested in having an Apart representative tell me whether they think this is fair and did a good job surfacing the relevant considerations.
The main takeaway from this is that the grant is valued at 360 points, which suggests a cost-effectiveness of about one point per $2,000, which is good compared to comparable grants. Everything afterward is a discussion of how it arrived at that number.
Some things I want to highlight from this report:
It's much more complicated than my description of the autograntor process suggests. This is because the AIs decided to do a lot of this (eg the sensitivity analysis, the "execution factor", etc) themselves, based on their impression of what a good forecast looked like, and I let them. I'm left in the position of trying to catch up to and understand their work.
It made two FutureSearch calls - one to determine whether anyone else would give Apart a grant, and another to determine with Apart would still run their sprints and fellowship in 2027. In this run, the FutureSearch calls failed, which is a constant hazard of workflows requiring different AIs to connect to each other, and probably was because I failed to top up my tokens properly. I can't tell whether the probability it ultimately got was its own guess (Claude is pretty good at this, although still worse than FutureSearch) or its reading some intermediate result off the FutureSearch connector.
It thinks in broad strokes: the output of Apart is "alignment papers" and "alignment researchers", which are assumed to be about as good as the average member of their category. It's capable of thinking more qualitatively than this - you can see it price in a 10% increased chance that the grant produces a "standout" result of the same importance as "DarkBench" (I didn't personally know what this was, but I looked it up, and it's a previous Apart result that got lots of traction - this is a good example of how the AIs know more than I do in a productive way). But I don't really get the impression that if Apart were actually much more on the ball than other alignment organizations and their unique paradigm was about to solve alignment forever - or if they were much less on the ball than other alignment organizations, and a complete sham pumping out reasonable-sounding but ultimately slop papers - the autograntor would be capable of noticing this or accounting for it (then again, I personally also might not be able to do this).
It cost somewhere north of 600,000 tokens. This is lower than other runs - this might have been one of my abbreviated-process test runs, I can't remember. An average autograntor run on Opus 5.5 High Effort uses about 30% of my five-hour limit (I'm on Claude Max plan). I think this works out to about $20 in API credits. It usually takes 20 - 60 minutes.
Here's a second example, based on Liron Shapira's Doom Debates' Manifund application here.
This was part of an experiment testing "high" vs. "medium" effort autograntor workflows. The results were relatively encouraging - a previous medium-effort analysis got a mean of 67 units; this high-effort replication got a mean of 72. My weak conclusion is that there's not much benefit to high effort, though I want to replicate this a few more times to be sure.
So . . . what now?
Is the autograntor good?
The autograntor generally agreed with the gestalt consensus of Lightcone Commons evaluators. I say "gestalt consensus" because each evaluator made their own grant list, and each was very different. But for example, the autograntor's top choice was an organization that I and two other human evaluators also put as their top choice, and several other human evaluators ranked highly. I worried that it might be cheating by checking other people's beliefs, so I re-ran it without letting it use the connection, and it gave a similar answer, although I can't say for sure that it didn't find some way around my restrictions.
I also ran it on some of the worst grants from Lightcone Commons, a spam application by an unknown-to-us person that no evaluator found any value in. It ranked it about 100x less cost-effective than the real grants.
I also ran versions of the autograntor on four different AIs, to see if they agreed with one another. This didn't really work. Two of them - FutureSearch and Preseen - were superforecasting-specialized AI that became very confused by the whole thing, occasionally lost the attachments and hallucinated their contents, and produced results off by an order of magnitude. Of the remaining two - Claude and ChatGPT - ChatGPT consistently gave results 2-3x better (more cost-effective) than Claude for everything. Every time I showed the AIs one another's results, Claude stuck to its guns and insisted that it's right, and ChatGPT admitted that it's wrong and deferred to Claude. I appreciate both AIs for their honesty and consistency, but this makes it hard to judge inter-rater reliability. The correlation between Claude and ChatGPT's results is 0.92, but again, this doesn't mean much given the orders-of-magnitude differences involved.
What about my subjective impression?
The autograntor is harder-working than I am. It does more research, surfaces more considerations, and catches things that I miss (I can say this with certainty, because some other Lightcone Commons evaluators are also better researchers than I am, and the autograntor often found the same things they did, even when I tried to prevent it from directly copying their work).
The autograntor is better at modeling than I am. It thinks in terms of distributions more often than I do, is more likely to test its assumptions with sensitivity analyses, and has more principled and consistent beliefs about the mathematics of credit assignment.
At this point, the autograntor never gives insane results when run on Claude (it still does on the superforecasters, and to a lesser degree on Astra). I'm nervous about this, because it used to give some insane results, and I sort of vibe-coded fixes to them, and I worry that I spotted the obvious ones that ruined the results according to my intuitions, but that there are many smaller ones that usually cancel out or are too small to notice.
(exception: it sometimes makes new insane common law rulings, and these silently poison several runs before they poison one loudly enough that I notice, investigate, and correct it. The time I'm thinking of, I can see in retrospect what it was thinking, and it would have been a reasonable way to run an autograntor, but it wasn't how I was interpreting its results and it would have misled me if I had interpreted them in the way that seemed natural to me)
The autograntor is sufficiently "more sophisticated" than I am (more prone to complicated analysis) that I don't feel capable of directly judging its reasoning, instead having to resort to indirect methods like comparing different AIs' output and asking them to criticize each other. I believe many parts of it are still subtly flawed. The main question is whether these subtle flaws make using it worse than the job I would do unassisted. I plan to test the autograntor in my next Lightcone Commons grant round, hopefully before any of the other evaluators have formed opinions, then check how well it matches their outcomes.
I don't know whether using the autograntor is an implicit decision to ignore subtle non-quantitative considerations. For example, in Lightcone grantmaking meetings, we often debated how to think about productive and successful organizations run by potentially immoral people. Some grantmakers wanted to support the organizations so they could continue their productive and successful work; others feared they would be further empowering the immoral people and letting them corrupt the community. The autograntor seems aware of these considerations, and often includes a negative term for downside risk in its analyses - things like "promotes false ideas" or "causes a scandal". But it can only consider the most quantifiable versions of these harms, not some kind of subtle year-by-year chipping away at norms that might one day snowball into a disaster.
I would like to keep using my own reasoning, with the autograntor as a supplement, but this has been increasingly hard. The lure of a specific cost-effectiveness number attached to each grant is a powerful anchor, even though I know how many tries it took before the autograntor numbers looked sane, and how many flaws it probably still has. I would like to be able to double-check each row in its analysis, substitute my own guesses, and then adjust for some sort of gestalt subjective factor that mere computers could never consider. But in fact, I find myself glazing over the analysis as I read it, thinking "yeah, that number is probably right . . . yeah, that number is probably right too".
(for example, did you catch that in the Doom Debates analysis above, the "PERCYs E-class" row basis calculation outputs 45,900 PERCYs, but the table lists 21,600 PERCYs instead? I didn't until a few minutes before posting this on Less Wrong, when I asked an AI to proofread this essay for my typographical errors and it found that error too. I challenged the Claude instance that did the Doom Debates analysis, and it said that the 0.68 in "basis" was the retained share without the grant, so the value of the grant was 1 - 0.68 in that term, and it just wrote the calculation in a very confusing way, which is fine, except that if I had been reading closely I would have noticed that discrepancy earlier).
Instructions for replicating/testing this
Ideally, other people would look at this project, test its failure modes, and investigate its potential. I'm posting it here to start this process.
Give the skill grant-adversarial-estimate to Claude and ask it to install it in itself. Then start a new session with Opus 5.5, medium effort, and prompt it with:
Prompt
...and attach these three files, plus the grant proposal:
This setup assumes you won't have a FutureSearch account, and so it's missing the superforecasting calls. If you want to add that in, get an account at FutureSearch.ai, connect it using the guide here, and add the following paragraph to your prompt.
FutureSearch prompt addition
You have access to the AI superforecaster FutureSearch. I have generally found it to be less skilled than general frontier models at all tasks except explicit and traditional probabilistic forecasts of simple future events. It's also slow and expensive. If you have access, you may consider using it if you run across a traditional forecasting question that seems central to your calculation. Keep in mind that it expects much slower AI progress than the grantmakers you will be assisting, and this may affect its estimates on questions that implicitly rely on AI progress speed; in questions like these, you can side with the grantmakers. Please limit yourself to at most four FutureSearch queries per grant, and report them to me in Step 3.
The best project I tested had a cost-effectiveness of one point per $1-$2K. Excellent projects that most grantmakers were happy to fund had cost-effectivenesses of 1 / $2-$5K. Decent projects that some grantmakers funded and others didn't had cost-effectivenesses of $5-$10K, and projects that we took seriously but mostly didn't end up funding unless there were hard-to-quantify reasons in favor were usually in the range of 1 / $10-$20K. Beyond $20K was the line where the human grantmakers I observed generally didn't treat the projects as serious contenders.
Feel free to send me any reports you get, especially if you find any unusual behavior or insane results. The autograntor isn't currently set up to evaluate any grants beyond standard AI-safety-related grants, and I don't expect it to perform well in any other field.
Why didn't I assign saving the world a value of one million points, implicitly pricing everything else in microdooms? I felt less certain that I could have an intuitive sense of how many microdooms the average alignment paper averts than that I could intuitively rank good grant outcomes relative to each other. Since on my model Plan A would decrease p(doom) by 20%pp, conversion to a microdoom based framework is trivial (within the model - if someone else has a different starting p(doom), they have to convert differently)
Subjectively - I'm not basing this on objective measures like money moved, because that depends on how much each grantee asked for.
If I'd been smart, I would have filled them in personally first, without AI help. But if I did this, I've since lost the file, and now I'm contaminated by knowing the AIs' values.
I also checked this by having an AI design itself a tournament where it showed itself two milestones at a time, rated how much better one was than another, and used an Elo-like algorithm to turn all of this into a set of consistent weights. This didn't change things much.
I think the rating of one point is indefensible on community-building grounds, but the whole point of this exercise is to quantify worldviews that differ from mine.
Again, something must be wrong with these numbers - a really great alignment paper is worth 5,000, so this suggests that the great alignment paper = convincing five million people, whereas common-sensically, convincing five million people is clearly better. But convincing every non-elite person in the US (let's say 10% of people are elites, so this is about 300 million), would be worth 300,000 points, or about a third of Plan A, which actually does seem order-of-magnitude right (if everyone were convinced, this would be a huge, but not completely sufficient, step to getting Plan A). My guess is either that this has something to do with double-counting, or that I'm failing to model elites-vs-normies correctly - it could be that on an individual level, elites are worth vastly more than normies, but convincing all normies at once means elites are likely to go along (or is simply nonsensical, since it's hard to imagine all normies but no elites being convinced).
Many of these grants are on Lightcone Commons. Thank you to Habryka and the Lightcone team for creating an AI connector that allows the autograntor to access the Lightcone Commons site directly. When a grant is on LC, the autograntor is able to read the application itself, the other evaluators' notes, and the transcripts of interviews with the grantees, which it takes seriously and adds to its estimates. I don't include any Lightcone-based analyses in the sample analysis section below, because I don't know what the privacy norms are and don't want to leak information from the applications. There's some risk that this access "contaminates" the autograntor, since it can see what humans (including me) thought. In my brief tests, this hasn't shifted its judgment noticeably.