following on from this thread:
http://lesswrong.com/lw/m14/id_like_advice_from_lw_regarding_migraines/c9kr?context=3
User Algon asked:
I don't drink alcohol, but is it really all that? I just assumed that most people have alcoholic beverages for the 'buzz'/intoxication.
I related my experience:
I have come to the conclusion that I taste things differently to a large subset of the population. I have a very sweet tooth and am very sensitive to bitter flavours.
I don't eat olives, most alcohol only tastes like the alcoholic aftertaste (which apparently some people don't taste) - imagine the strongest burning taste of the purest alcohol you have tasted, some people never taste that, I taste it with nearly every alcoholic beverage. Beer is usually awfully bitter too.
The only wine I could ever bother to drink is desert wine (its very sweet) and only slowly. (or also a half shot of rum and maple syrup)
Having said all this - yes; some people love their alcoholic beverages for their flavours.
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I am wondering what the sensory experience of other LW users is of alcohol. Do you drink (if not why not?)? Do you have specific preferences? Do you have a particular pallet for foods (probably relevant)?
I hypothesise a lower proportion of drinkers than the rest of the population. (subject of course to cultural norms where you come from)
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Edit: I will make another post in a week about taste preferences because (as we probably already know) human tastes vary. I did want to mention that I avoid spicy things except for sweet chilli which is not spicy at all. And I don't drink coffee (because it tastes bad and I am always very awake and never need caffeine to wake me up). I am also quite sure I am a super-taster but wanted to not use that word for concern that the jargon might confuse people who don't yet know about it.
Thanks for all the responses! This has been really interesting and exactly what I expected (number of posts)!
In regards to experiences, I would mention that heavy drinking is linked with nearly every health problem you could think of and I am surprised we had a selection of several heavy drinkers (to those who are heavy drinkers I would suggest reading about the health implications and reconsidering the lifestyle, it sounds like most of you are not addicted). about the heavy drinkers - I suspect that is not representative of average, but rather the people who feel they are outliers decided to mention their cases (of people who did not reply; there are probably none or very few heavy drinkers, whereas there are probably some who did not reply and are light drinkers or did not reply and don't drink).
I hope to reply to a bunch of the comments and should get to it in the next few days.
Thank you again! Maybe this should be included on the next survey...
Edit 2: follow up post -http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/m3j/tally_of_lesswrong_experience_on_alcohol/
I am probably something close to an alcoholic. I rather not use the term but in this case it may be helpful. It started around 17 when I was ashamed about having no social life so I went to dance club, but then I ended not really talking to a lot of people there either, just trying to approach a few pretty girls. Of course booze a lubricant and very often when I did not feel like approaching I just stood there drinking. Quickly associated the idea "going out and getting entertained" with standing somewhere sipping a drink. My parents have always drunk, moderately, and they were okay with me moderate pillaging their booze, like at 19 years old about 2 glasses of wine a day. This made me feel elevated (I never drunk to drunkenness), bubbly, light, and I liked that. It felt good to back to videogames or whatever I was doing (usually videogames) in that state.
Prety quickly it grew on me into a daily habit. However what made me different from the typical AA type alcoholic is that I never drunk to drunkenness, just elevation. So there were no problems caused by it when I was 20 or 30. I could go through an alcoholism checklist, listing questions like any relationship problems (lol wut), any work problems (no) and so on, and nothing.
By 37 I started to see issues, being fat, some gut inflammation, bleeding hemorrhoids, it was better to stop. And by some weird magic (or rather, because not only men can be introverted) I managed to fall in love, get married, have a child, and I guess I need to be a better role model. Also, because now I need to live longer. Formerly I figured dying at 55 from liver failure would be okay as my parents would be dead by then and I owe nobody else to live, but now I owe my wife and daughter to live, so better take care.
Actually quite recently, around March I did a 30 day stop via using three methods, non-a beer, martial arts training and associating with my lower, impulsive self, shaping my higher self (superego or what) into an external voice I called The Boss. 30 days dry went down without many problems.
Then about two weeks ago I started again because I was in bed with cold/flu and I was thinking like, fucking hell, if I must be here being bored all day (I got tired of reading after reading 10 books, had no other ideas to do), I may at least be drunk! The cold/flu went away a few days ago and now I am considering stopping again, although it is a hard time to, my wife and daughter went to visit grandparents, so I am here in an empty prison like apartment during the evenings after work with nothing to do, just browse the web and get sloshed. Today evening would be martial arts, but I am a bit hung over, and angry at me about that, so yes, I think a second round of month-long or several months long stoppage is coming just about now, as it is stupid that I have at least one non-boring activity and it is interfering with it. If you suspect it is a sign of deeper problems, probably it is. It is largely the lack of passions, goals, so life feels very big and empty and hard to fill out. I think every parent and school tries to instill a do-your-duties-first value system into kids, and I guess it was simply too succesful for me, basically I unlearned how to want things personally, so ever after I felt empty when I had no duties or tasks imposed and had to choose what to do myself. This made life feel big and empty and sort of it felt normal to fill with some booze because all the adults I know was doing it. I think all my childhood and teenagerhood, I did not know any adults who had anything in their lives but work, home-family stuff, and some drinks. I guess it would have been useful to have role models who have hobbies or aspirations or goals or whatnot.
On to flavour: as I tended to drink cheap (not stupid enough to waste both my health and wallet), yes, most things like common beers or wines have a cheap booze burn taste. It is not too bad, the taste the day after, that is bad. Esp. if it was cheap red wine the day before. I think at some level my taste changed. Unlike my childhood, I no longer like chocolate and things like that, sweet stuff. Correction: during my 30 day dry spell I did. Just not together with alcohol, the simple acidic taste of cheap booze does not mix with that. I simply got used to that acidic taste.It does not mix well with sweets. I just ate normal homecooked food or simple things, bacon, sausage.
If you are an acoholic isn't that more of a problem with impulsiveness and pointing to exec function deficits(if anything?). You can look into that. I would REALLY look into this if I were you.