Emile comments on 2011 Less Wrong Census / Survey - Less Wrong

77 Post author: Yvain 01 November 2011 06:28PM

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Comment author: Emile 01 November 2011 08:44:38PM 3 points [-]

As an approximation that makes calculations easier, I think it does (though it gives too high a probability to Newton publishing his book next week).

Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2011 04:18:55PM 3 points [-]

Also, “too high”? Seriously? The log-odds against (xμ)/σ being more than 19 are about 800 dB; I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with assigning such a great confidence about a non-tautological proposition about the real world. (Except “Emile will torture 3^^^3 people unless I give him/her $5” and similar, of course.) :-)

Comment author: khafra 02 November 2011 07:45:07PM *  3 points [-]

I'll bet 100 bitcoins against .00000001 bitcoins that Sir Isaac Newton will not publish the historical Principia Mathematica next week.

Edit: After considering the additional coinflips required to bring even that large a difference in money up to the relevant level, I think I'm going to withdraw my offer. Before I earned back my stake laying bets like that, I'd run into a situation where time travel had been commonplace for centuries but there was a huge conspiracy to keep it secret from me, or something like that.

Comment author: kilobug 02 November 2011 07:58:01PM *  1 point [-]

100 against .00000001, that is, 10^2 against 10^-7 has a log-odd of 90 dB, very far from 800 dB. Didn't check the 800 dB of army1987, but if he's right on that, your bet is way below his odd.

Edit : wrote 9 dB instead of 90 dB at first, sorry, hope noone saw the broken version ;)

Comment author: khafra 02 November 2011 08:24:33PM *  2 points [-]

Yup. Unfortunately, bitcoins are not currently subdividable any further than that, and I'm not rich enough to bet more. However, I'd be willing to throw in "and you don't have to pay up the .00000001 bitcoin unless a coin comes up heads 220ish times in a row."

Is this a general method for adjusting bets on long odds that make money impractical? I just thought of it.

Comment author: dlthomas 02 November 2011 10:54:10PM *  2 points [-]

I would take that bet, except that I am insufficiently sure in my understandings of the rest of reality if I happen to win to be confident that I'd want 100 bitcoins in that eventuality.

ETA: I should note that I didn't run the numbers, 0.00000001 bit-coins is something I'd be willing to risk on a 1:2^220 chance for the amusement involved. It should not be taken to reflect a general policy of accepting wagers at what my estimate of these odds would be if I did decide to work them out more rigorously...

Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2011 01:34:32AM 2 points [-]

Well, I think most real-world applications of Gaussian distributions aren't that satisfactory more than about 5 sigma away from the mean, anyway.