Sophronius comments on 2011 Less Wrong Census / Survey - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Sophronius 06 November 2011 09:35:56PM -1 points [-]

That's not the question. The question is which ideology you most identify with. So what you answered is "The philosophy I most identify with is that there is no such thing as morality." This seems like a nonsensical position since it would imply that concepts don't exist simply because they aren't physical. Morality is a very real part of the universe as it can be observed in the functioning of the human brain.

Admittedly, I did find the question somewhat odd, as what is asked is what I most identify with, and it's a very bad habit to make ideologies part of your identity. I interpreted the question as "which form of morality do you approve of the most", which for me was consequentialism since out of those three I believe it to be the most effective tool for improving human welfare.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 07 November 2011 12:51:22AM 0 points [-]

I interpreted the question as "which form of morality do you approve of the most", which for me was consequentialism since out of those three I believe it to be the most effective tool for improving human welfare.

You also judged the alternatives on consequentialist grounds. I interpreted the question as "which form of morality do you use to decide what to do (or wish you used to decide what to do)?"

Comment author: Sophronius 07 November 2011 02:07:22PM -1 points [-]

Good catch! I should have added "and improving human welfare is more important to me than any other considerations".

Anyway, I think morality is more than just "how do you decide what to do", it's about what you feel people in general should do. And in that case I would prefer everyone to use consequentialism, even though that isn't strictly how I make my own decisions.

Comment author: occlude 06 November 2011 10:07:36PM 0 points [-]

Morality is a very real part of the universe as it can be observed in the functioning of the human brain.

I try, of late, not to create sections of map that don't correspond to any territory. What if we taboo the word morality? Is there brain function that corresponds to morality and that is distinct from preferences, beliefs, emotions, and goals? It seems that positing the existence of something called morality creates something additional and unnecessary.

Comment author: Sophronius 06 November 2011 10:57:34PM -1 points [-]

It does correspond to territory: that specific functioning of the human brain. Human preferences are not part of the map, they're part of the territory. Admittedly, you can describe the same thing using different words, but that's true for everything. Morality is a subset of preferences in that it only covers those preferences that describe how intelligent agents should act. It is still a useful term for that reason.

I have found however that talk of morality leads to enormous amounts of confusion (fake agreements, fake disagreements, etc.) and so I agree that tabooing the word and substituting the intended meaning has a great deal of merit.

Comment author: occlude 11 November 2011 04:01:19AM 0 points [-]

I agree with your argument in the sense that you meant it, though I interpreted the question differently.