Kinsei comments on 2013 Less Wrong Census/Survey - Less Wrong

78 Post author: Yvain 22 November 2013 09:26AM

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Comment author: Kinsei 22 November 2013 03:13:40PM 11 points [-]

Well, remember that that's a zero sum game within the community since it's coming out of Yvain's pocket. I was going to reflexivly cooperate, then I remembered that I was cooperating in transfering money from someone who was nice enough to create this survey, to people who were only nice enough to answer.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 22 November 2013 03:23:10PM 5 points [-]

This was my initial thought, too. But then it occurred to me that Yvain wants to incentivize people to take the survey, and more people will be so incentivized if the reward is larger. Thus, I can acausally help Yvain achieve his goal by cooperating.

This will only influence people who know something about how the reward works before they decide to take the survey, but it still seemed worth it, so I cooperated.

Comment author: ThrustVectoring 22 November 2013 03:43:57PM *  3 points [-]

Cooperating for reasons other than "I expect cooperating to make other people cooperate" gives people a reason to defect and make the total (and your expected) reward lower.

I've done the math elsewhere in this thread, and if at least a third of all respondents decide to cooperate no matter what, the optimal solution is to just defect and take their money.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 22 November 2013 03:57:07PM *  7 points [-]

Cooperating for reasons other than "I expect cooperating to make other people cooperate" gives people a reason to defect and make the total (and your expected) reward lower.

Yes. And I did cooperate because I expected that it would make other people cooperate (acausally). I was explaining why I wanted more people to cooperate, even though it would mean that Yvain would lose more money.

I've done the math elsewhere in this thread, and if at least a third of all respondents decide to cooperate no matter what, the optimal solution is to just defect and take their money.

Good. Then a defector has been enticed to take the survey.