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I take issue with your Bayes-prayer. I don't mind so much that it seems to be just a normal prayer with some replaced words, rather than being something good in its own right, though I think this would offend other LWers. However, it does violate one message on LW that I've found very important to internalize:
So, apparently, we're really really bad at bayescraft. What are we going to do about it?
It doesn't offend me, and I don't anticipate that it would offend many other LWers. So I'm going to test this with a poll. If you were NOT offended by changing a Christian prayer to be about Bayes, upvote this comment.
EDIT: This isn't actually what eridu was talking about.
Not offended but I do think it is rather lame. It did make me downvote and mentally dissociate from the post. More "ewww" than "How dare you!".
Was it really that lame? Man, now I'm wondering whether the Fate/Stay Night bit of http://lesswrong.com/lw/7z9/1001_predictionbook_nights/ turned off a bunch of readers who simply haven't mentioned it.
I really liked that, because I think it captured a good part of the essence of tsuyoku naritai. I don't think the Bayes-prayer did.
I think this would offend the LW zeitgeist because to me, this seems like awful political art.
I tried to imply that because I don't like linking to the sequences every time I make some point based off of them, but I think you missed that. Taking that one line out of context didn't help.
Edit: To be as explicit as I can, I don't care that this is a christian prayer. I just think it's not well done, because it doesn't reflect tsuyoku naritai.
To me it seems humorous. Which is in stark contrast to awful political art such as the poem EY describes in the linked post.
Why is it humorous besides pointing out that the author is on our side?
It's a combination of irreverence (mocking religion by treating non-divine entities as gods), incongruity (you don't expect a bunch of science-minded techno-nerds to sit around praying), and self-mockery (poking fun at our level of enthusiasm for Bayesian concepts).
None of that resolves to anything more than "I'm on your team! Go team!"
That makes sense. I thought you were saying that other people objected to using language originating with Christianity. Your complaint is perfectly reasonable and I slightly agree with it.
I apologize for not being more clear.
I wasn't offended, but I did find it a bit ridiculous, and not really in a funny way, although in a different context I might have found it funny.
If you WERE offended by by changing a Christian prayer to be about Bayes, upvote this comment.
These might be relevant.
I mean, these might be rationally Bayesian.
If there's anyone here who has made more suggestions than me and tried harder than me on calibrating one's predictions, I would appreciate an introduction so I can pick their brain.
I'm saying it deserves mention within the prayer, to remind the reciter that it's not enough to confess one's flaws without also forming a plan to obliterate them.
If Bayes is all knowing, that sort of defeats the point, doesn't it?